RobertISaar Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 The Helms/GM service manuals. Priceless commodity. it sounds like it... anything for the greater good of the community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have the FSM for 93 at school in my tool box, I also have access to All-data and Mitchell... If Brian doesnt get to it, I can for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I don't have a '93 book, so he could use those pinouts from you. If you look at the back of the electrical section (usually 8A) you'll see sketches of harness connector faces. Look for harness # C100, it will have all wiring listed below it. That's the info he'll need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Actually, even if you scan it (or type it up) here, I'll do the same, and we can make the comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Alright, I will do that... I wont be able to get it until Friday morning though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I forgot my FSM at school... I am gonna write a note to myself to bring them home Monday... Sorry about the delay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 no biggie I haven't been home either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 this project is already over 1 1/2 years old, a couple more days aren't gonna hurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 any new info to spread around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Not yet, I need to remind myself to bring the manual to work so I can scan the pages. I'm going to try for tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Posting!!!!!!!! 1995 W-line C100 connector: Engine to IP harness: If you want pics larger than this, PM me your email addy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 finally, some progress can take place... oh wait, i have to wait for the engine harness side now... damnit i hate not being all-knowing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 well, to start, you could always compare wire colors and locations on your new harness to the diagrams above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 well, to start, you could always compare wire colors and locations on your new harness to the diagrams above. colors wouldn't be too hard to manage, but by location do you mean the pins on the 4 connections to the PCM? if so, i would need a diagram for that as well..................................that haynes manual is worthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 looked at the c100 i have off of the GP. 18 colors match: a2 a3 b1 c3 c4 d3 d4 d5F e2F f2 g2 h3 h4 j3 j4 k1 k2 l1 now i'm gonna go check to see if they match exactly on the monte... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 well, using the diagram from Brian, i found a few differences diagram:actual car D1 dark blue:light blue J4 orange:tan K2 orange:purple this is assuming that there should not be: b2 because i am a vin m and its refering to L c1 because its meant for buick/olds/pontiac c2 F because its meant for buick/olds/pontiac and vin f d5 f because its meant for vin f e1 because its meant for vin l e2 f because its meant for f j1 m because its meant for pontiac/olds with a vin m j1 f because its meant for pontiac with a vin f k3 f because its meant for buick/olds/pontiac with a vin f k3 m because its meant for buick/olds/pontiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Ok cool, the Monte should match the diagrams perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 93 GP C100... Pics are huge so I will just post the links http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r114/dabiglummix/Data%20files/DSC06299.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r114/dabiglummix/Data%20files/DSC06300.jpg http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r114/dabiglummix/Data%20files/DSC06301.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 oops, i guess M and F means male and female not VIN M and F....... i guess i'll need to go through it again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 problems with the GP harness: the page doesn't list B2, C1, H1M, K3, or L2, all of which are present in my harness. it also mentions E1, G1, and J2, none of which are in my harness. other than that, they all matched perfectly. does the lack of e1 mean its an auto? the lack of g1 mean it doesn't have auto door locks? the lack of j2 mean it didn't have A/C? but what do my "extra" wires mean? its not from a 93? EDIT: all of the wires that weren't mentioned in the manual that are present are all black wires with the exception of H1M, which is blue. are they grounds or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 it's possible. It's not necessarily that the '93 had extra stuff, it's likely changes in the circuitry of the interior harness. For example, when I went from a '95 underhood harness to a '96, some fuse locations changed. So a circuit that once went thru to my dash fuse block would now just go to an underhood fuse block instead. It's usually trivial things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 i just find it odd that they are almost all large black wires, so i'm not sure what to do about it. and with this newfound knowledge of what the real meaning of M and F are( i must be a late bloomer), i went back over the stuff in the monte and came up with it being correct except for the color of two wires j4 said orange but is tan k2 said orange but is purple now i guess i'll work on seeing what needs to be changed on the one i have in hand... i hate to do this but... bigalwalker08 can you grab the info for a 92 GTP as well, i cant help but wonder if i was given bad information about the year of vehicle it was out of... EDIT: question: the fuseblock thats attached to the GP harness: would this replace the block thats in my dash, and only accesible if i open the passenger door, or is it an underhood fuseblock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 you mean this block? Or something else? http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/robertisaar/?action=view¤t=FILE0001.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I will do what I can... I dont have the factory service manual for a 92... Wait! I just remembered a have a haynes manual for all years 88-96... Let me see what they show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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