Regal_GS_1989 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Okay, Over the past week, i've had to drive my moms 97 lumina because my regal broke a rear trailing arm. Anyways, i went to the j/y to get new trailing arm. When I went to start the car, I turned the key and... Nothing. I tried cleaning off the little chip a couple time and it still didn' work. So I had to use the command start to start the car. Put the key on, and was able to drive the car. A few minute after I had left, the security light came on. The next day, my mom had the same thing happen to her in the parking lot. Could this be a Proble with the secuity system itself, or a problem with the chip on the key?? FWIW, I had a bit of Rust Check on my fingers when i grabbed the keys. could have gotten any on the chip?? and would this keep the car from starting normally? I don't thik the key is worn out at all Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supreme_style21 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 If you've got a remote starter, the PassKey should be disabled/bypassed. Sounds like a problem with the remote starter bypass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 my mom's 02 alero sets the security light off sometimes...it has a remote start...if you put the key in and its not "JUST RIGHT" in the ignition, the security light will come on...but, it doesnt really matter cause the car still runs just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supreme_style21 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 my mom's 02 alero sets the security light off sometimes...it has a remote start...if you put the key in and its not "JUST RIGHT" in the ignition, the security light will come on...but, it doesnt really matter cause the car still runs just fine Had a similar problem with an Intrigue. Ended up having to replace the ignition cylinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Try a different key first. If the problem persists, check out this thread: http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17432 I swear, one of these days I have to make a write-up about the VATS system. It seems like it's been more of a problem lately than worn-out signal switches ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPXSS Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 usually on VATS or PASSKEY systems, once you turn the ingition to "START" but nothing happens, the security system will disable the system for a few mintes.. even if you cleaned the key off, it won't work immediatley after you just tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymik Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 thats a hard problem to diagnose since half of us will think its the key(chip) vs the other half thinking the ignition module is crapping out. I would definately use a different key for awhile and see if it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I couldent get to work one day because I couldent start my car. Well later that night I tried my spare key and VIOLA! it worked. I think the chip on my other key was worn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted November 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Yea I want another key made just in case this one i have now decides to shit out on me. Do you guys know how much it would cost? Ive heard to go to the dealer and it would be about 30-50 bucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymik Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Yea I want another key made just in case this one i have now decides to shit out on me. Do you guys know how much it would cost? Ive heard to go to the dealer and it would be about 30-50 bucks? 30-50 bucks might even be a bit lower than what you'll pay. I've heard of people paying $75 for a key at the dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 I just had new ignition keys made for my Regal and Grand Prix at the local Chevy dealer and paid $25 each. Last time I had a VATS key made there they charged $30... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. Please enlighten me on what exactly this "Command Start" entails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supreme_style21 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Command Start is a remote starter brand. If the car has a remote starter in it, a VATS bypass was installed. With this installed, you are able to start the car with ANY cut key, it does not have to be the standard key with the chip. Getting a new key, I feel, will do you absolutely no good. Locate the bypass 'module' and start with that. Any car with the PassKey requires the bypass to be installed, so the remote starter module can take over and start the car without a physical key in the ignition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Okay, I get it. I've never heard of that brand before. Personally, I know all about bypassing the VATS. When I heard "Command Start," I thought it was GM-Speak for a secret way of bypassing the VATS system and getting the car to start without hacking any wires apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Hey danny hit the submit button once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannymik Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 I swear to GOD Dan that I only hit it once...somethings up when it just hangs there after you hit the submit button(once). I'm a lillte embarrased about the triple post folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92gransport Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Yea I want another key made just in case this one i have now decides to shit out on me. Do you guys know how much it would cost? Ive heard to go to the dealer and it would be about 30-50 bucks? 30-50 bucks might even be a bit lower than what you'll pay. I've heard of people paying $75 for a key at the dealer. Holy Sh*t! I had a Chevy/Buick dealer make me a set of keys for my Camaro back in '97 - VATS key was $12.50 & door key was .75 - have the VATS keys gone up that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Yea I want another key made just in case this one i have now decides to shit out on me. Do you guys know how much it would cost? Ive heard to go to the dealer and it would be about 30-50 bucks? 30-50 bucks might even be a bit lower than what you'll pay. I've heard of people paying $75 for a key at the dealer. Holy Sh*t! I had a Chevy/Buick dealer make me a set of keys for my Camaro back in '97 - VATS key was $12.50 & door key was .75 - have the VATS keys gone up that much? no.....they are still less then $20... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Umm, I wish that I could try another key, But we only have one ignition key for that car. But so far, if the key won't start the car, the command start will. But I am going to have to get a ke made. Yea I want another key made just in case this one i have now decides to shit out on me. Do you guys know how much it would cost? Ive heard to go to the dealer and it would be about 30-50 bucks? 30-50 bucks might even be a bit lower than what you'll pay. I've heard of people paying $75 for a key at the dealer. Holy Sh*t! I had a Chevy/Buick dealer make me a set of keys for my Camaro back in '97 - VATS key was $12.50 & door key was .75 - have the VATS keys gone up that much? no.....they are still less then $20... :shock: ...DAMN...guess i shoulda drove up to MI to get mine...i paid $50 @ the local dealer to have a spare ignition key made for the cutlass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 hell, even locksmith's around here sell them for around $15...and they can be had on ebay all day long cheap too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 hell, i prolly coulda drove to michigan and back, got the key...and it still woulda been less then i payed ...oh well...too late now :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john99gtp Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 w00t to my non-pass key system seems like that system is nothing but trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokemBokem Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 w00t to my non-pass key system seems like that system is nothing but trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted November 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 w00t to my non-pass key system seems like that system is nothing but trouble Sorry to tell ya, but your car has the PASSkey system, unless you bypassed it. All GM vehicles(except j-bodys) newer than 95 have it. Just the newer one don't have a chip in the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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