Addicted To Boost Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I need help- I just bought a gauge cluster from Kuntzie that has just been re-calibrated-that was out of a TSTE, so in his TSTE, the gauges all read correctly. When I put it into my TGP, the needles are WAY off. When I am really going 50 MPH, the TSTE gauge says I'm going 65, and my car shifts at WOT at 5,275 RPM's (verified by a scangauge), and the TSTE cluster says it shifts at 6,800 RPM. Are TGP and TSTE clusters different? I have seen 2 differences between the two clusters: The TSTE cluster has a orange low fuel light circle that is 3x the size of the orange dot on my TGP cluster. On the TSTE cluster, all of the writing and numbers on the cluster, tach, and spedo is written in BOLD, slightly bigger writing than the TGP cluster. Are these two clusters mechanically different? I have TRIPLE-checked everything, and I have it put together correctly, yet the TSTE cluster is still wayyyy off. Any input is appreciated. Thanks Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 as stated through PM;s every thing was accurate... i dont understand whats going on here.. i even verry well bubble wraped the cluster when shipped so i no that wasnt an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I got one of each in my two cars. the non-sunroofed one came with the big orange circle.others regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Does anybody know if there are MECHANICAL differences between TGP and TSTE clusters? This cluster works perfect in Jeff's TSTE, but is WAYYY off in my TGP. WHY??? Anybody know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGPilot Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I have had clusters read inaccurate...but normally that means they are bad. Whatever on the cluster electronics gets wigged out and it reads high. There is no difference other than what you said between the two...they are completely interchangeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 NO guys. I'll re-explain it. Jeff had this cluster re-calibrated, so it worked PERFECT in his TSTE- everything was right on. He took that cluster outta the TSTE and sent it to me. I put the TSTE cluster in MY TGP and the cluster reads WAY OFF. Speedo and tach are WAY OFF when the cluster is in my TGP, while if Jeff puts in in his TSTE, it works perfectly! WTF!! What is going on here? I checked my HUD twice with two GPS's and my HUD is right on. I checked my TGP with a scangauge and it shifts at 5,275 RPM's. On Jeff''s cluster, it says the car is shifting at 6,800 RPM's! And when I'm going 50 in my car, the cluster says I'm doing 65! Can anyone explain this? It works perfect in his TSTE, everything is right on, and in my TGP it is WAY off! HELP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Ride Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I Remember Reading In My TGP Service Manual Once That the VSS pulses different on certain Models. (I.E. Se Vs. TGP vs. TSTE) I'll try to find the page to show/prove it to you guys I thought it was really weird too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I Remember Reading In My TGP Service Manual Once That the VSS pulses different on certain Models. (I.E. Se Vs. TGP vs. TSTE) I'll try to find the page to show/prove it to you guys I thought it was really weird too. Sweet- Let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGPilot Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 TGP/TSTE VSS Pulse divisor and Pulses per Mile are the same! Possibly different for the 14 or 15" wheel SE but not different between the TGP/TSTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 TGP/TSTE VSS Pulse divisor and Pulses per Mile are the same! Possibly different for the 14 or 15" wheel SE but not different between the TGP/TSTE. Agreed. I just think the cluster is bad. The first cluster I had in my Grand Prix would immediately peg itself the moment I started rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1kicker Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 I ran a TGP cluster in my old TSTE for a few years and it was accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Well how could the cluster just go bad all of a sudden? He took it TSTE when it worked perfectly, sent it to me and I put it in my TGP and it is off. It could have gone bad in that short of a timeframe? From what???? That just doesn't make sense to me- there has to be a difference or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 also - nicj was telling me with the key in the on position the cluster read ) MPH and the tach read 100 or 1000rpms i forget what he said now edit heres a pic of the cluster in the tgp with the key off... there was only 100 miles or so put on it before i disassembled how dows it look in your car compared to this one at the off position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 This is a picture of what the cluster looks like with the keys OFF. This is a picture of what the cluster looks like with the ignition on, but the engine is not running (hence all of the lights on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 pics no work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Fixed- pictures work now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 BUMP... any other ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihateallmustangs Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Not the same car but I had a similar problem with my old 89-SE.. I pulled the digital cluster out and swapped in a analog cluster from a early GTP. The speedo never worked right but would kick in some times. When my computer went bezerk I swapped a computer from a 88 SE into it and the speedo stop working altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 ,y other thing i was gunna say is max out the speedo then see where u govern at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 ,y other thing i was gunna say is max out the speedo then see where u govern at Who? Me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I've tried everything, swapping clusters back and forth numerous times and swapping parts of one cluster onto the other and vice versa, and still no luck. I am back to having my original cluster back in the car. Any other ideas? I'm OUT of ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Ride Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I looked over my service manual this weekend and it said that pulses per mile from the VSS will vary depending on options equipped, so it must've meant the rim/tire size basically, i guess i misunderstood it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Jeff (Kuntzie) you have a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 so the orig cluster is more accurate then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yeah my original cluster is more accurate than that reman one . My orig. one reads about 61-62 MPH when I am going 55. The reman one is about 71MPH when I am going 55 lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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