toastemcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 as some of you know I want to switch from the crappy auto trans I have and get the getrag, I already have the shifter and brake pedel but was wondering what kind of prices your seen them for? and also prices of clutchs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intlcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 300-400 for the tranny itself. Clutchs really depend on you, but if have the dohc I would get a beefy one. A lot of people have reported problems with centerforce, Clutchmasters makes a good one, But it's really your call. Centerforce df- around $300. Clutchmasters is aroung $400-500 i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 is that trans the mucie or the getrag. cuz the bone yard wants 900 for one with 150 g's on it and 1800 for rebuilt, would really mine used as long as it didn't have that many miles on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBuick Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Go onto gmforums.com and PM "pocket-rocket" and ask him if a getrag can even be installed into your '94. From what I remember the 94s have a brace under the dash that prevents them from having a manual installed in them. I think 93 was the last year that manual install was possible - but I could e wrong. Definetely check that out. -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse5302 Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Go onto gmforums.com and PM "pocket-rocket" and ask him if a getrag can even be installed into your '94. From what I remember the 94s have a brace under the dash that prevents them from having a manual installed in them. I think 93 was the last year that manual install was possible - but I could e wrong. Definetely check that out. -Tom You are correct Tom. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 If You have 3.4 DOHC look for Getrag 284, That is the only transsmision that was designed to handle 250 lb of torque. and since you can't buy any rebuild kits for this tranny If anything goes wrong, tranny has to be sent to Getrag for rebuilt $$$. Another alternative is to go with GETRAG 282(Muncie),It's exactly the same tranny exept it can only handle 200 lb of torque so you would have to be careful not to brake it http://www.cybrrpartspro.com/Chilton%20Manuals/8800m/8800CH07_3.HTML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse5302 Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 How did you get in that site? Do you have a membership? Or a link? Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 I recall seing 95 GTP converted to 5 speed, but I don't know the details Go onto gmforums.com and PM "pocket-rocket" and ask him if a getrag can even be installed into your '94. From what I remember the 94s have a brace under the dash that prevents them from having a manual installed in them. I think 93 was the last year that manual install was possible - but I could e wrong. Definetely check that out. -Tom You are correct Tom. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse5302 Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Well, anything can be done with lots of custom work and friends at a machine shop. But for a direct (easy) swap, it won't happen. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Clutch is 200 bucks for the 284. You will have issues putting a 5 speed in a 94+. Computer and wiring to MPFI so you can use a 5 speed chip, that brace as mentioned, drill a hole for the cables, drill or modify the hole in the firewall for the clutch hydraulics, swap to th e91-93 steering column so you can mount the clutch pedal, etc. Its not practical and is much easier to just buy a 5 speed car to begin with, especially if you dont have a 91-93 to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 I knew about the steering colum and the chip but I want to make this work cuz I hate this auto trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 ya the muncie is not an option I wreck the trans I have now and it is suppose to hold 225 hp and not sure on torqe. i have this problem with my foot being heavy and the only way to make it better is to floor it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 i was under the impression that '94 was the last year that you could easily mount the clutch pedal, since '95 was the year the dash changed? also, why would you need a different steering column? personally i would much rather use a Getrag 282 than a 284, but then again, i have one joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toastemcutlass Posted January 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 that maybe, it makes sence. I was under the impression that there was a different colum in the newer ones and it was in the way. but I do have the old style dash so hopefully I don't. the reason I wont use the muncie is cuz it holds less power then my auto trans and I blew my trans three times, the 3.4 likes to rip um up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 i have never really looked up under the dash of a '94 or '95+ W-body, but i don't think there is any clutch pedal 'hanger' on the newer ones. i'm assuming the '94 CS *does* have the hanger in there, since the dash is the older style. i know the 284 is stronger, but i would just hate to ship the thing to Getrag if anything happened to it - that would be a total pain in the ass! and i'm sure it would cost alot. lots of people use the 282 behind much more powerful engines with good luck. my little n/a 3.1 is hardly considered powerful, so i can't really say myself. it will have to live behind the engine after my turbo project tho i'm hoping for 250hp/250tq joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBuick Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 The 282 will have no problem holding up to your 3.4, and its cheaper and WAY WAY WAY easier to find parts for. Fieros guys run 282s with just about everything under the sun (LT1s, LS1s, Northstars, 350s, 454s). Don't worry about the 282, worry about the install. -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 another thing to consider is the different clutch hydraulics between the 282 and 284. i'm not familiar with the 284 hydraulics, but i think the system is a bit more complex. joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 284 clutch is a "pull type" and it's different. I just priced complete clutch system. Big $$$ $700 CDN. I'm thinking of changing it to less expensive 282 setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Do you have a link t a fireos guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 That's interesting as well There is no rebuilt kit available for 284 http://www.drivetrain.com/transmanualrebuildkit.html#PONTIAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Now check out the gear ratios. The 282 wont be as optimal unless you get the close ratio version. That is the route I want to take but I wouldn't do it without the close ratio gearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 how many different types of 282's are there anyway? i've heard the Quad-4 uses an Isuzu 282 (weak), and the HO Quad-4 uses a Getrag 282 with a Quad-4 bellhousing? is it hard to change the bellhousing? crap i need to go check out Brian's site... joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 More Info on Getrags http://my.execpc.com/~rodney1/getraginfo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBuick Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Now check out the gear ratios. The 282 wont be as optimal unless you get the close ratio version. That is the route I want to take but I wouldn't do it without the close ratio gearing. Are the ratios really "off" all that bad? Enough to justify the price and rarity issues? -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul GTP Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Gear Ratios http://www.brian89gp.com/other/transmission.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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