Heza Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 nahh it wont break, ive never heard of that happening either, but its good to do after ALOT of miles as it does slack over time. A loose timing chain is one of the big reasons older 3.1 pushrods seem to loose thier grunt they had when they were young. IIRC there is a way to modify the DOHC to use a double roller chain as opposed to a belt. I remeber seeing that somewhere. you find that double roller chain page and get back to me...id love to see that. as for the 3.4 with a manual...in the words of a MN buddy, "its OVERRATED." in a w-body atleast. maintenance wise...ill take the extra time it takes to change the alternator (4 hours max) and to change a timing belt (easily a day job with beer and bullshit) over the 3100. my GTP is in pieces right now because while fixing the intake gaskets, i decided to polish my plenum and front cam cover. since that takes time, my car hasnt run for 3 weeks. so i drive my old '94 SE with the 3100 and miss the 'thrust' the DOHC gets around 3700 RPMs. so much more enjoyable to drive than the 3x00 pushrods. just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 They must have expected the manual version to run 2 seconds faster than the autos then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 as for the 3.4 with a manual...in the words of a MN buddy, "its OVERRATED." in a w-body atleast. I think any car with a manual is way more fun. Considering a modified 3.4 w/ 5-speed I had a ride in impressed the hell out of me compared to 2 1995 Z34s I've test drove that felt slow, I think there is a difference, but I really don't know anything about those engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EurosportZ34 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 3.4 DOHC w/ 5-Speed's are da shit hands down!! :worship: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveFromColorado Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I lost a timing chain in a lumina - with a 3.1 too - they WILL break eventually, after 197k miles it went - toasted the upper half of the motor as they are interference engines when the lifters are all pumped up. I also lost a timing chain in a 3.0 (90 degree engine) many many years ago ... also, took out all my valves. --Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay3800 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 as for the 3.4 with a manual...in the words of a MN buddy, "its OVERRATED." in a w-body atleast. I agree it is overrated, but I still think 3.4/5-speeds have to be the most fun w-bodies to drive. I'd still rather have a 3.1/5-speed, but those 3.4's are dying for a manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I'd still rather have a 3.1/5-speed, but those 3.4's are dying for a manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay3800 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I'd still rather have a 3.1/5-speed, but those 3.4's are dying for a manual. Meaning: I would much rather have a 3.1 with a 282, than any 3.4 (because I prefer the 3.1 hands down). The 3.4 may be more "fun" to most people because of the high RPM power; and that kind of power is best utilized through a lower-geared manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Adam Posted October 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 so most people would rather the 3.4 :?: :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay3800 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I wouldn't say most....it's not everyone's dream motor. Lets not start a motor vs. motor debate though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonyman87 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 ok i will put in my 2cents since i have the 3.4dohc and my buddy has the 3400.. Reliablility and easy maitnence is screaming from the 3400 maitnence is a bit more of a chore with the dohc but easy after you have done it once or twice. If your going for performance then the 3.4dohc is the way to go. the 3400 can also be made fast with a turbo/blower setup. I would expect the dohc have better results from a turbo or blower.. its basicly your call. I agree with Canada, the upper manifold isnt 2 bad to take off after you know what your looking for. the first time it took about an hour. the second and 3rd only took a little over 10 mins. The hardest part is disconnecting the coolant line going to the intake manifold b/c there isnt enough room for your hand and you gotta get long plyers to get at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 ok i will put in my 2cents since i have the 3.4dohc and my buddy has the 3400.. Reliablility and easy maitnence is screaming from the 3400 maitnence is a bit more of a chore with the dohc but easy after you have done it once or twice. If your going for performance then the 3.4dohc is the way to go. the 3400 can also be made fast with a turbo/blower setup. I would expect the dohc have better results from a turbo or blower.. its basicly your call. I agree with Canada, the upper manifold isnt 2 bad to take off after you know what your looking for. the first time it took about an hour. the second and 3rd only took a little over 10 mins. The hardest part is disconnecting the coolant line going to the intake manifold b/c there isnt enough room for your hand and you gotta get long plyers to get at it I have it down to about 20 minutes. As for that coolant line, i replaced the stock clamp with a screw on type clamp. Makes it sooo much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Yeah, screw type is the way to go for that coolant line. Id say how long it takes me but you would call BS:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4spdz34 Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Yeah, screw type is the way to go for that coolant line. Id say how long it takes me but you would call BS:P i'm gunna say 4 1/2 mins cause i know your a tricky guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpse_97 Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 I have to agree with some people here and say the 3.4 DOHC is the way to go. I use to have a 97 GT with a 3800II and now I have a 92 STE with the 3.4DOHC. I personaly think the 3.4 is a much more fun engine! I love the 3.4 minus the repair isssue's its a great peppy motor. The only thing I've replaced because it broke was the alternator and my car has 304,000KM on it. I did all the regular maintanince stuff also, as long as you take your time and have patience its not that hard to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excelsior Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 as a general rule when displacement is =, more cams win out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 i'd take the DOHC. i really like the 3400, but i think i have enough mechanical ability to take on the 3.4 and they have more potential. the only downside is limited space in the engine bay for a turbo setup (but we already know it's more than possible). i'd need a 5-speed in there though! i'd love to have a GTP just like Canada's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I've also done the screw type hose clamp mod.....not only is the stock clamp a bitch, but as far as clamping ability is concerned....its a weak dick. At least in my experience, they tend to leak. My Grand Prix isn't a GTP..........only a lowly SE. As far as room for a turbo? There is plenty.......once you get the battery in the trunk.......and remember.......you don't have the nasty airbox in the way with a turbocharged setup.........there is PLENTY of room to work with....even for a big FMIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 As far as room for a turbo? There is plenty..... oh i know i've seen timg's full T4 Monte up close in person and it is impressive. and trust me, a ride in the passenger seat is beyond impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timg Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 As far as room for a turbo? There is plenty..... oh i know i've seen timg's full T4 Monte up close in person and it is impressive. and trust me, a ride in the passenger seat is beyond impressive. Thanks. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveFromColorado Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 not to hijack too much, but Tim, do you have any 1/4 mile times? (we were just talkin' about turbo lq1 setups last night) --Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timg Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 not yet. I've been promising them for a long time, but I really haven't had the chance to go racing. If you're around the CO area still, I could probably give you a ride later this year. Right now the Monte is at my parents house in SD and I have no idea where I'll be working. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Adam Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 shoulda asked this earlier but does anyone know the approx. price point difference between the 2 engines???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 shoulda asked this earlier but does anyone know the approx. price point difference between the 2 engines???? Price point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 shoulda asked this earlier but does anyone know the approx. price point difference between the 2 engines???? Price point? Exactly what I was wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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