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Nice find!

Well, we got it running again and got all the old fuel out!

OK , now on to the Transmission, I needed the L36 out of the car so i can use the rotating assy from the 4T65E to go in the Grans Prix case that i already had cleaned up and read to build, I ordered a Master kit from Rock auto specced for the 65e-hd, doesnt really matter, but I just ordered it for what i was building, and got set to start tearing into the trans. I think It might have Termites... got it all apart, everything looked good, Almost all the clutches still have the ink labling, 4th gear clutches where decent, but the steels showed some slippage as they had some burn marks. Everything all stacked in the order they came out. Its not my first trans build, I've been doing this kinda shit for over 20 years so I do things a little different from first time builders. I have a cheap piston compressor I got off amazon works good for 90% of my builds, but sometime i get into a deep drum like this and I need to improvise cause the threaded rod isnt long enough. got all the seals replaced and noticed on the side of the drum it was weighted I doubled checked the drum from the GTP trans and it didnt have a weight on it, I have no idea if this was a normal thing, or if GM took the time to balance these parts because they where going in the police cars . others may know, These are the first 4T65's I have done. started reassembling Sure was nice having the bell housing bolted to the tabletop . Spag was in there just to turn the assy in the trans to line stuff up . and new the Hard work is done, I went with the stock GTP drive and driven sprockets instead of the Luminas 35-35 sprockets one cause I will be using the GTP ECM for now and 2 I'd like to maintain some form of gas mileage. I did run across a problem with the PA Cargo kit It was a good kit, and a Master kit with everything, but the input clutches where for a 2003 and up 4T65 with the 30 spline clutches, 2002-97 had 32 splines, so im not sure if their thinking people are going to upgrade to a newer diode type sprag from the newer transmissions or what, I tried contacting them about the mix up. but the guy I was chatting with kept asking me for the kit number and application after I had given him the info in the first message i sent him, so I basically got nowhere , I was able to use my old clutches because they where the exact same thickness as the new ones. and just used the new steels. so if you are looking for a master kit, be aware and find someone elses kit. Also I bought a new Hardened 4 gear input shaft and a new Hardened pump shaft fo go in this, even with only 121k on these parts the splines on the ones in the lumina where almost at the point of stripping. Stock chain had plenty of life left. It was well within the 1/4 of an inch clearance to any part of the case GM specs. so thats it for now, Im also using a Transgo shift correction kit, in the valve body and servos , so Ill be working on that next.

Thanks for the help everyone. I had removed and lost those two front fasteners many years ago. Shows how bad my memory is, I would have sworn I was missing two bolts. Went to the hardware store and got a couple of the push pins that jiggity76 an d55trucker mentioned. All set now. I did have the side bolt, maybe that is why I thought the other fasteners were bolts, too.

It's not a bolt, it's a push pin/rivet

I'm a little late here but: 1993 is one year unless you change over the valvebody, solenoids and wiring. B ---------- CUTLASS 93 A.T.; 4T60E, 6-207 (3.4L) GRAND PRIX 93 A.T.; 4T60E, 6-207 (3.4L) LUMINA CAR 93 A.T.; 4T60E, 6-207 (3.4L) |A| thru |C| fit as shown in notes. B ----------- Valve body cover is steel & has no engine mounting bosses . |A| & |C| fit by transferring valve body wiring harness, solenoids & electrical connector in case as needed. A ---------- CUTLASS 91-92 A.T.; 4T60E (3.4L only) GRAND PRIX 91-92 A.T.; 4T60E (3.4L only) LUMINA CAR 91-92 A.T.; 4T60E (3.4L) C ---------- CUTLASS 94-95 A.T.; 6-207 (3.4L) GRAND PRIX 94-95 A.T.; 6-207 (3.4L) LUMINA CAR 94-95 A.T.; 6-207 (3.4L) MONTE CARLO 95 A.T.; 6-207 (3.4L)

this forum doesnt seem to have alot of traffic, Try posting over at Gearhead EFI http://www.gearhead-efi.com/Fuel-Injection/forum.php they will set you straight, i had a box I plugged into my 92 camaro so i could data log with it , I cant think of who made it, but you could connect your phone through bluetooth, or you could use a older serial cable if you have a old laptop that had one, it did pretty good . I got the info and link for it off that forum. Lotta good guys and plenty of traffic over there. Hell I would sell you my box , I sold my camaro and dont have a use for it. I'll get the info here in a bit.

More work, lotta Pics are not uploading. Also got around to pull the #L32 out.

I see that the Camaro weather strips are specific to the driver and passenger doors. Your one post stated that you cut off from the pillar edge while leaving the back of the original end. I assume that means that it is important to purchase the Camaro drivers side for the Olds driver side and the same for the passenger side applications. Am I correct? Also, is there a quality difference between Camaro Central and 1A Auto? Thanks, Jonathan Camaro Central (pair) $69.95 1A Auto (pair) $99.95 1A Auto (individual sides) $64.95

Nope, either we get the door jamb sticker or pay PHS/GM heritage $50-150 for the date and I don't think either have the date ASC built the car, just the factory month/year.

@mfewtrail #2499 is not a TGP, it's a 4 cylinder LE sedan instead. One of those odd 1 c@rf@x record VINs. 1G5WP14V2LF297363

Replacements are fairly cheap to get you by, TurnOne Steering will rebuild your pump if you`re wantng to keep it original. Probably cheaper than OE if you can still find them.

I take it the engine is the LQ1?.......pre 94 or post 93........makes a difference, post 93 has no map sensor, just the vacuum port for the FPR & trans modulator generally pressure at the rail when running at idle is just above 40lbs., it would seem that you're in the ballpark, when the FPR goes it usually is the diaphragm that tears, little pressure & the plenum will suck the fuel in thru the map port. Without removing the plenum one can remove the rubber hose for the fpr at the map & you will instantly get fuel odour, now are the rubber hoses at either end of that tube that feeds the FPR are not rotten & leaking vacuum? If the internal spring goes the fuel rail goes lean but there is no leakage into the plenum. Engine running/wide open throttle/low vacuum/full spring pressure/max fuel pressure. Engine at idle/full vacuum/vacuum pulls on the diaphragm against the internal spring to lower fuel pressure. If you have a vacuum pump/gauge on hand test the FPR for vacuum at the MAP port, if you can't pull anything then either the tubing is leaking or the FPR has failed. Normal vacuum at engine idle is approx 16-17 inches vacuum. The only way to test the FPR itself is with the plenum removed. There are 2 ports at the MAP..... 1 is the FPR feed & the other is the vacuum for the trans modulator, if either are leaking engine idle will be upset.

Yes. Thanks. If your buddy goes back before the car is crushed: Please ask him to snap a photo of the build date on the driver's door jamb sticker if it's still there.

Man you guys are carving out a little piece of automotive history here. How many do you guys think are still out there? I shouldn`t want another 30+ year old Pontiac, especially one they dont make parts for but I`d really like to save one of these one day. I hate seeing an unwrecked car go to the JY.

I took the 'vert out for a sunset run this evening and it's never run better. Shifting is so smooth, I can hardly feel it, even though I can hear it and see the evidence of it on the tachometer. Even though I didn't replace the vacuum line to the modulator—it still has the original hard line—I must have gotten it seated better than it had been when I buttoned things back up after this afternoon's aborted attempt to replace it. At this point, I'm quite content to let things ride, no pun intended.

As your attorney I would advise you to replace the vacuum hose to the modulator as well, maybe even give that a shot before replacing the component. You might try adding some heat to the area around that bolt to get it to loosen up too, or a 6ft piece of metal pipe around your wrench. Sometimes you can use an additional combo wrench of a similar size to use as a breaker bar as well, old mechanic trick thats hands down guaranteed to either bust the bolt/nut loose or bust your knuckle against something hard. Or punch yourself in the face, I`ll never forget when I did that to myself. I was so pissed off and had no one to hit back. Still looking for that 3/4 combo in the woods too.

Cutlass only.

Hey @mfewtrail, I remember you saying you needed to run a bunch of cars for the options, I discovered this site to do so for free. http://www.free-vin-decoder.com and it works too. You can run about 50, then it tells you you've run too many but with a VPN or proxy, you should be able to keep going. Beats paying Compnine.

Yep I unplugged the under hood light to work on the motor and never plugged it back in.

So I was reminded on Facebook of this photo of my Cutlass from 2 years ago today... just to show how far It really has come in those 2 years... to give you an idea, I was standing in almost the same spot in the 2nd photo I added to the initial post.

Now to go through the brakes and get new tires. passenger side rear brake gets the first inspection. It almost definitely needs a new caliper.

Look ma, no wheels

https://imageappky.car-part.com/image?seller=8482&partsourceid=8482&partGUID=8482-1-99874&vehicleGUID=8482-1-V2141&display=1989 Pontiac Grand Prix Engine Assembly-Stock%23 DD0163 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix Engine Assembly-Stock# DD0163 • Neuner's Automotive Recyclers, LLC, Warren, MI 1G5WP14V7KF328802 Looks to be a sunroof car with leather. 132,665 miles Edit: I see Jay already posted this one.

Hi everyone, I’m happy to be in this group. Here are a few pictures of my car. We’ve painted it and had a new top installed but interior is original. Pretty good shape for 175 dollars running and driving.

I am starting another thread where you can post articles on the first gen w-body that were featured in any magazine. If you can add to my list I would appreciate it if you can let everyone know if there were are any others. This is the magazines the w-body first gens were presented in I found from doing research, I also own some of these magazines and some I am still searching for to add to my first gen w body collection. THE GM-10’S: BUICK REGAL, CHEVROLET LUMINA, OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS SUPREME, PONTIAC GRAND PRIX W-BODY MAGAZINE ARTICLES OF FIRST GENERATION FROM 1988-1991 - Automobile Magazine - October 1987- New Cars ’88! - January 1988- America Picks it’s Favorite Cars- ‘88 All-Stars Issue - July 1988- Can These Cars Save GM? Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix GM10’S Coupe’s - May 1989- Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo Coupe Takes On Ford Thunderbird Super Coupe - April 1990- Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo Coupe - May 1990- Eight Great Convertibles- Featuring Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme - Automotive Engineering Magazine - October 1987- 1988 New U.S. Cars - Automotive Fleet Magazine - August 1987- The New 1988 Buick Regal Limited- GM10 Coupe - October 1987- The ’88 Cars - February 1988- The New 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme- GM10 Coupe - March 1988- The New Pontiac Grand Prix Coupe- GM10 Coupe - February 1989- The New 1990 Chevrolet Lumina- GM10 Coupe - July 1989- The New 1990 Buick Regal Limited Sedan - Autoweek Magazine - September 7, 1987- FWD 1988 ½ Pontiac Grand Prix - October 26, 1987- What’s New For ‘88 - February 1, 1988- Inside The Detroit Auto Show - February 29, 1988- Chicago Auto Show - March 21, 1988- 1988 Pontiac Grand Prix SE - March 28, 1988- Chevy’s GM-10s - April 4, 1988- FWD 1989 ½ Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo Coupe - April 25, 1988- Buick Adds The Grand Sport Package to Regal Model Trim Line, 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass International - May 2, 1988- FWD 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Indy Pace Car - September 26, 1988- 205 HP Pontiac Grand Prix - October 23, 1988- Eighty Nines- Best and The Brightest- Featuring GM W-Body GM-10s - February 20, 1989- 1990 Cars- Featuring FWD New W-Body- 1990 Chevrolet Lumina - June 12, 1989- Buick Pumps Iron- The 1989 Buick’s Reatta and Regal Supercharged Models Race on Test Track - August 14, 1989- 1990 Chevrolet Lumina Eurosport Coupe - - Car Craft - August 1988- QUICK TEST: Buick Regal And Oldsmobile Cutlass, GM’s Mid-Size Performers - Car and Driver Magazine - September 1987- The New 1988 Buick Regal Limited- GM10 Coupe - October 1987- ’88 Cars Featuring GM10 Coupes- Pontiac Grand Prix SE, Buick Regal Limited, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme - March 1988- The New 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme- GM10 Coupe - March 1991- America Fights Back! – Featuring The All New 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Coupe - Changing Times - December 1987- 1988 New Car Preview - December 1988- 1989 New Car Preview - December 1989- 1990 New Car Preview - Changing Times Automotive Annual Guide - Cars ’88- Featuring Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac GP - Cars ’89- Featuring Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac GP - Consumer Report Magazine - March 1988- The All New 1988 Buick Regal- GM10 Coupe - April 1988- The 1988 Cars - April 1989- The 1989 Cars - Ebony Magazine - November 1987- The 1988 New Cars - November 1988- The 1989 New Cars - Home Mechanix Magazine - May 1988- The Home Mechanix Award Easy Maintenance Car of The Year- The 1988 Buick Regal Limited GM10 Coupe - Kiplinger Personal Finance Magazine: Changing Times Magazine - December 1987- The 1988 New Cars - December 1988- The 1989 New Cars - Motor Trend Magazine - September 1986- INSIDE DETROIT: 1988 Buick Regal FWD GM10 Article - September 1987- PREVIEW USA: WHAT’S NEW FOR 1988 - October 1987- FIRST ’88 TESTS: BUICK REGAL, DODGE DYNASTY, LINCOLN CONTINENTAL, RENAULT PREMIER - January 1988- 1988 GM 10’s - September 1988- ROAD TEST: Buick Regal Grand Sport - 1988 Motor Trend Magazine- Automotive Yearbook New Car Guide - 1989 Motor Trend Magazine- Automotive Yearbook New Car Guide - - - Road & Track - November 1987- New 1988 Cars- GM-10’s- Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix, etc. - June 1988- Testing GM-10’s- Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix - Popular Mechanic Magazine - March 1986- Inside Detroit- GM’s Chevy-Pontiac small car group shares an ’87 prototype that would officially be the W-body GM10 ’88 Pontiac Grand Prix - September 1986- Inside Detroit- New Roofline, Grille and Doors will distinguish GM10 W-body ’88 Buick Regal that was supposed to be an redesign project for the ’89 Riviera, Also GM10 W-body ’88 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme and GM10 ’88 Pontiac Grand Prix - October 1988- 2-faced prototype- GM10 ’88 Pontiac Grand Prix Front, ’88 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Rear - November 1986- Inside Detroit- 1988 Buick Regal FWD GM10, Also ’88 Olds Cutlass Supreme FWD GM10 - May 1987- ’88 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme FWD GM10 is a 4, Base Engine is A Hot V6 Engine - August 1987- New ’88 GM10 FWD Pontiac Grand Prix Will Have a 2.8l V6, which it Will Share with FWD GM10 Buick Regal and Oldsmobile Cutlass - October 1987- 1988 NEW CARS- Featuring GM10 Coupes- Buick Regal, Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme - November 1987- ‘91 Buick Regal and ’91 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme will be Sedans - December 1987- 1988 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Will Be The Final Year, In ’90 Chevrolet Will Design To The GM10 Platform An FWD Chevrolet Lumina Coupe - June 1988- American Flyers- Featuring GM10 Coupes- Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, Buick Regal Limited, Pontiac Grand Prix SE - September 1988- Automobile Long Term Test- 1988 Buick Regal Custom - January 1989- Automobile Long Term Test- Buick Regal Custom, MoTown Muscle Pontiac Grand Prix Turbo Sport SE - February 1989- Inside Detroit- 1990 Chevrolet Lumina Sedan, Built a Buick- How The Buick Reatta is Built on Assembly Line - March 1989- Inside Detroit- 1990 Buick Regal 4-Door Sedan - October 1989- Detroit Spy Report- 1990 Chevrolet Lumina Turbo V6, Detroit 1990 Cars For A New Decade- Featuring GM10 Coupes- Chevrolet Lumina Sedan and Lumina Eurosport Coupe, Buick Regal Limited Sedan, Pontiac Grand Prix STE, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible and Cutlass Supreme Sedan - December 1989- Civil War Battle- Ford Vs Chevy- Featuring GM10 Coupe- 1990 Chevrolet Lumina Eurosport Sedan - March 1990- Detroit Spy Report- 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Goes Turbo, Pontiac Grand Prix - April 1990- Owners Report- Chevrolet Lumina Eurosport Sedan - July 1990- Detroit Spy Report- Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme redesigned smaller headlights and lower hood line for ‘91 - August 1990- Detroit Spy Report- Pontiac Grand Prix gets a ’91 facelift nose job and smaller headlights - October 1990- Detroit 1991- Chevrolet Lumina Z-31 Coupe, Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Coupe - Popular Science - April 1985- FWD Prototype Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme - May 1986- FWD Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Will Be One of GM’s Mid-Size Car for 1988 - December 1987- The New GM10 1988 Buick Regal Vs The Cougar and LeBaron - January 1989- Coupes: GM10 ’89 Buick Regal Grand Sport Coupe and Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme International Coupe - June 1989- The All New High Performance ’90 Chevrolet Lumina SS Coupe - January 1991- The All New 1991 GM-10- Buick Regal, Chevrolet Lumina, Pontiac Grand Prix - Special Buyers Guide Magazine - 1988 Car Preview- Best Buy’s- Featuring Buick Regal, Olds Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix - 1989 Car Preview- Best Buy’s- Featuring Buick Regal, Olds Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix - Ward’s Auto World Magazine - October 1987- Testing Cars for 1988- Featuring the GM-10 1988 Buick Regal - November 1987- Testing The Buick Grand National And The New GM-10 FWD 1988 Buick Regal

well right, i understand the concept, but I just never had an issue with it to feel the need to do it.

After its cut, dropping an extension straight down is pretty nice.

You should really consider getting one too. Them Boo ickys are hard to find lol