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i just used a dynomax glass pack cuz it was the only one i could find that was short enough. they can be installed either way. if you have more room just get a thrush or similar and install it backwards. theyll be cheaper than the dynomax and will work fine.

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How much does the Dynomax resonator quiet it down? Also, does the length of the resonator affect the sound quality and/or the overall loudness of the system?

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Okay that is EXACTLY what I wanted to know- thank you. :smile:

I think I will go with 2.5" exhaust, don't want too little backpressure, as that is not good also.

 

What???

 

Ahahahaha.

 

Um, I see that this myth is still being propagated........... :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

 

ANY backpressure is bad.

 

On an NA engine you DO want high exhaust VELOCITY though to enable ANY scavenging effects at all and to keep low rpm torque intact.

 

On an NA engine..........

 

 

On a turbo car, you just want the most posible flow you can get. The turbo itself sits right smack in the middle of your exhaust stream killing ANY possibility of pulse scavenging.

 

The ONLY reason to stay small is to save $$$ (you may not NEED a 3in exhaust, but it will NOT hurt you AND leaves headroom for power increases later), or for fitment reasons.

 

 

 

I would point out, on the exhaust side of things, SC engines act like NA ones do (they CAN benefit from proper exhaust sizing)............they move a lot more air though, so for a pair of similar sized engines, one NA , one SC, the SC car should have a larger exhaust.

 

 

 

Basically, a 3in probably WON'T hurt yu much at all compared to 2.5in at the boost/flow levels you are talking about.........BUT............if you have ANY plans of going bigger later..........

 

May as well only do the exhaust ONCE (which is why I also recomended stainless) :wink:

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Okay that is EXACTLY what I wanted to know- thank you. :smile:

I think I will go with 2.5" exhaust, don't want too little backpressure, as that is not good also.

What???

Ahahahaha.

Um, I see that this myth is still being propagated........... :rolleyes:

ANY backpressure is bad.

On an NA engine you DO want high exhaust VELOCITY though to enable ANY scavenging effects at all and to keep low rpm torque intact.

On an NA engine..........

On a turbo car, you just want the most posible flow you can get. The turbo itself sits right smack in the middle of your exhaust stream killing ANY possibility of pulse scavenging.

The ONLY reason to stay small is to save $$$ (you may not NEED a 3in exhaust, but it will NOT hurt you AND leaves headroom for power increases later), or for fitment reasons.

I would point out, on the exhaust side of things, SC engines act like NA ones do (they CAN benefit from proper exhaust sizing)............they move a lot more air though, so for a pair of similar sized engines, one NA , one SC, the SC car should have a larger exhaust.

Basically, a 3in probably WON'T hurt yu much at all compared to 2.5in at the boost/flow levels you are talking about.........BUT............if you have ANY plans of going bigger later..........

May as well only do the exhaust ONCE (which is why I also recomended stainless) :wink:

Okay... well I'm NOT worried about price. I want the best possible exhaust system that I can possibly make and I want it done right. So will running a 3" exhaust hurt ANYTHING in ANY way????

Thanx

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considering you can just dump the exhaust right after the downpipe, i don't see any way in hell it would hurt you. as stated, after the turbo your exhaust needs zero backpressure. i myself will be going will 3" from the dp back this year. if you're gunna do it, just go for it all at once. no sense changing it down the road. i def don't see all this downsizing throughout the system benefiting you at all

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my turbo cavalier with open 3 inch downpipe spools up a lot quicker than with full exhaust. One of the first upgrades you see alot of stock turbo cars do is a 3 in downpipe. Hell i think turbo buicks even run 5 inch downpipes as upgrades. :question: The only problem with the turbo grand prix is the turbo. What is the outlet size on the turbo? It doesn't make sense to make a huge exhaust system when the turbo outlet size is only so big atleast i think. 2.5 inch should be sufficient. 3in exhaust is huge compared to 2.5in. If you want to cut down on cost run 3 inch to where the cat is and buy a exhaust cut out and put that where teh cat is. Then run 2.5 the rest of the way back. Thats what i did.

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How much does the Dynomax resonator quiet it down? Also, does the length of the resonator affect the sound quality and/or the overall loudness of the system?

 

its still pretty loud, but it was too loud and the exhaust made a funky sound on full throttle. the glasspack cleaned it up. i didnt run it long at all w/o the pack so i cant explain the difference very well except it made it sound a hell of a lot better. the longer the gp, the more quieting material, so the longer, the quiter (generally)

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Ok thanks for the info, guys- I will run a 3" exhaust then.

 

How much does the Dynomax resonator quiet it down? Also, does the length of the resonator affect the sound quality and/or the overall loudness of the system?

 

its still pretty loud, but it was too loud and the exhaust made a funky sound on full throttle. the glasspack cleaned it up. i didnt run it long at all w/o the pack so i cant explain the difference very well except it made it sound a hell of a lot better. the longer the gp, the more quieting material, so the longer, the quiter (generally)

Alright thats what I thought. I will run a long resonator on there.

 

Does anyone know how big of a downpipe I should/could run?

Thanks

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Again what size is the stock dp and how hard is it to get a newer one made. I understand back pressure is bad for a car, but i drove around all summer with this shitty exhaust on the car, and then took everything off from the downpipe back to go to track, and on the way there the car was a complete dog with no exhaust. Even when i added a muffler where the cat was and had the pipe and split in back, the car felt quicker moving around the city.

 

I am also doing my exhuast this year and am not sure what i want to do. I was thinking 2.5 and also thought if i went three, i would still have the bottle neck where the downpipe is.

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I understand back pressure is bad for a car, but I took everything off from the downpipe back to go to track, and on the way there the car was a complete dog with no exhaust.

So there IS a point where too little backpressure is bad... I'm still unsure of what size exhaust to run. Has anyone here ACTUALLY tried a 3" exhaust on their car? I need more info.

Thanks

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I understand back pressure is bad for a car, but I took everything off from the downpipe back to go to track, and on the way there the car was a complete dog with no exhaust.

So there IS a point where too little backpressure is bad... I'm still unsure of what size exhaust to run. Has anyone here ACTUALLY tried a 3" exhaust on their car? I need more info.

Thanks

 

im just speaking from my experience with my car. I heard back pressure was bad aswell. See i took the exhuast off after driving a good 5 months with it. I had my friend in the car and we were on the freeway, and i hit it (on the way to track, just downpipe) and the car barely threw us back.

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I think what hes trying to say is focus on what gives you the most gains.

 

and louder isnt always better.

 

...you know its factory stainless exhaust???right? not many cars come with that.

 

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I'm shooting for good power gains everywhere, not just on top end- thats my goal.

 

...you know its factory stainless exhaust???right? not many cars come with that.

And your point is.....????

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Look............seriously.

 

A 3in exhaust IS going to do the trick IF it fits (this is the only hurdle *I* see).

 

Period.

 

You'll VERY likely be making over 200whp, and I know of FISTFULLS of other turbo cars that have run 3in exhausts with less power and still had LARGE gains.

 

Hell, while I don't own a TGP, my NX2000 is in the middle of a (forced........due to an 11K rpm excursion) turbo-motor swap. And guess what, if its' little 2.0L (also with a T-25) is getting a 3in and other SR20DET's have been PROVEN to make good power gains with this, I'm pretty sure your 3.1L will also.

 

Both engines WILL be moving similar amounts of air..........a 5500rpm 3.1L vs a 7500rp, 2.0L with the same basic turbo..........

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Look............seriously.

A 3in exhaust IS going to do the trick IF it fits (this is the only hurdle *I* see).

Period.

You'll VERY likely be making over 200whp, and I know of FISTFULLS of other turbo cars that have run 3in exhausts with less power and still had LARGE gains.

Hell, while I don't own a TGP, my NX2000 is in the middle of a (forced........due to an 11K rpm excursion) turbo-motor swap. And guess what, if its' little 2.0L (also with a T-25) is getting a 3in and other SR20DET's have been PROVEN to make good power gains with this, I'm pretty sure your 3.1L will also.

Both engines WILL be moving similar amounts of air..........a 5500rpm 3.1L vs a 7500rp, 2.0L with the same basic turbo..........

Perfect. That is close enough as far as I'm concerned. 3" it is! :cool:

 

I found a thread: http://www.tgpforums.com/index.php?topic=852.0 That told me that the stock DP is only 2.25"! That NEEDS to be made bigger... does anyone with experience here know if I can cut the stock DP, use teh stock flange/mounts/coupler, and as you go further down the DP, I was thinking of cutting it there, and welding a 3" pipe onto there. Could I do this?

Also, in that thread, they talk about certain resonators giving too much backpressure, due to their design. Does anyone know of a straight through resonator they recommend running that doesn't have the backpressure problem?

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Any PERFORATED core, straight-through resonator will work beautifully.

 

In stainless, check out some of the ROUND Dynomax Ultrafow mufflers, also Magnaflow has some nice ones too. Also Borla, Burn's stainless etc.

 

The "bad" resonators are usually the cheaper glasspacks (NON stainless).............Flowtech Red-Hots and Purple Hornies are both louvered core and flow like shit, and I've heard that some of the Cherry-Bombs are too (but others AREN'T).

 

Just look inside............if it's a straight pipe with holes in it, you are gold.

 

 

Here: main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1010&g2_serialNumber=2

 

Look down inside and you'll see what I mean.

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I'm shooting for good power gains everywhere, not just on top end- thats my goal.

 

...you know its factory stainless exhaust???right? not many cars come with that.

And your point is.....????

 

nothin.. just that it aint goin no where. I got a whole nother exhaust for a TGP in the yard if it ever rusts out. :lol:

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nice. soon as the good weather hits I might take out that exhaust out from under the redwoods and upgrade to mandrels and throw it in. I am probably gonna be sick of the too low sounding mufflers that came on my project car. Im not sure but they probably arent the straight through ones. someone just threw on some flowmasters.

 

trying to keep it under $200 for a nice upgrade.

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Well I'm working on getting together the pieces for this exhaust. I was looking at a Y today: http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=861

What do you guys think? Is that spendy for one of them? Would I be best off running a Magnaflow Y like that, have a custom Y made, or... any suggestions?

Thanks

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See my reply @ the other board. :wink:

 

BTW, you might want to email the company in that link I gave you to make sure those are stainless(the others of similar price were, but they don't specifically state that on the universal y-pipe I linked you to).

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