Stan9864 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I had my 2000 Buick Century in the garage, and they said that the lower control arm bushings were going. They recommended replacement of the lower control/ball joint units. Dorman offers replacements at a reasonable cost. Has anyone used these? How hard is replacement of these to the backyard mechanic? It looks do-able. Is alignment affected at all? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94 olds vert Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 They are a good factory replacement. Depends on how much rust you have. Getting those bolts off if they are rusted can be hard. The bolt in the knuckle is 18 mm IIRC. I have them on my car. So far no problems at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I have em on my Grand Prix. Very good product for how cheap they are. alignment should not be affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I have them on my Regal and I actually had the problem of one of the bushings becoming unseated right away, but other than that no problems. I re-seated it and it's still staying in place. Can't go wrong for the price and having everything shiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94 olds vert Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 They are boxed in. The factory ones only have three sides. As they rust they can be easily twisted by hand. The welds seems decent. Kinda of hard to screw up a metal bar. The bushings are good or better than factory. Certainly better than what you are replacing. Unless you can get some BXX tubular trailing arms. Those will be the best!!! BXX is a boss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 If he is talking about front LCAs, then I still recommend Doorman. I've installed a few and have been happy with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 And for the money while you have new LCAs out of the car, pop out the front vertical bushings and install a set of Moog ones. They are molded much much better and are 100 times less likely to slip out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan9864 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 OK, everybody, thanks for the feedback, I'll go with the Dorman. I've never had a problem with their products (their tech support is another matter), but I figured I would ask about this specific product. And for the money while you have new LCAs out of the car, pop out the front vertical bushings and install a set of Moog ones. They are molded much much better and are 100 times less likely to slip out. "Front vertical bushings" would be called what in a parts catalog? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Pretty much exactly that:lol: Moog part number K6712 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Which bushings are those? The ones in the top of the front strut that never stay in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan9864 Posted July 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Pretty much exactly that:lol: Moog part number K6712 Yes, this appears to be a lower control arm bushing. Isn't this already included with the entire dorman lower control arm assembly? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan9864 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Yes, this appears to be a lower control arm bushing. Isn't this already included with the entire dorman lower control arm assembly? Thanks. Forgive me, I think I am a tad slow... I think you mean to modify the new dorman part by replacing a bushing on it with a Moog part. I am cheap and lazy , so I would prefer to just install and forget, unless I hear that the dorman bushing stinks, the Moog part is excellent, and replacement is simple. I think this is the bushing that the garage showed me as going and necessitating replacement of the unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I will most likely be picking one of these up due to them being so cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurkey Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 Cost of Dorman complete unit - $41, + S&H Cost Moog front and rear bushings, and ball joint - $66, +S&H And for the money while you have new LCAs out of the car, pop out the front vertical bushings and install a set of Moog ones. They are molded much much better and are 100 times less likely to slip out. So does it really matter how cheap the Dorman unit is when the bushings they use are "100 times" more likely to give problems; and the suggested course of action is to replace them before installing the Dorman arms? Have we determined that the ball joint actually needs to be replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan9864 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 So does it really matter how cheap the Dorman unit is when the bushings they use are "100 times" more likely to give problems; and the suggested course of action is to replace them before installing the Dorman arms? Have we determined that the ball joint actually needs to be replaced? All posters have recommended the Dorman units, one suggested replacement of the one bushing. If replacement of that bushing is simple with the lower control arm off, I will consider it. Your post mentioned replacing the ball joint. I have not verified the ball joints' conditions, but if this is original equipment, then with 131k miles, they are getting replaced while I have the arm off, regardless. I missed any comments that the Dorman product is likely to give problems, let alone (your quote) "100 times". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurkey Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 I missed any comments that the Dorman product is likely to give problems, let alone (your quote) "100 times". And for the money while you have new LCAs out of the car, pop out the front vertical bushings and install a set of Moog ones. They are molded much much better and are 100 times less likely to slip out. Not my quote. Came directly from BXX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) The Moog design bushings are less likely to slip as compared to the GM ones, not the dorman. The Dorman are slightly better than the GM. But Moog kinda redesigned the bushing a bit, adding a taper to it which appears wont even allow the damn thing to slip out. Edited July 30, 2011 by GOT2B GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan9864 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 But Moog kinda redesigned the bushing a bit, adding a taper to it which appears wont even allow the damn thing to slip out. OK, so would I need some type of press to do the bushing swap? Can I rig something with a C-clamp, or a puller? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have not had the lower control arm out yet, and can only visualize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted July 29, 2011 Report Share Posted July 29, 2011 OK, so would I need some type of press to do the bushing swap? Can I rig something with a C-clamp, or a puller? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have not had the lower control arm out yet, and can only visualize. I use an air hammer to remove and install them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOT2B GM Posted July 30, 2011 Report Share Posted July 30, 2011 Ok thread cleaned up. We all know the state of the manufacturing industry across the US and Canada (trust me, I know) No sense in arguing about it here. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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