luminal67 Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 the recommended interval for timing belt changing is under 100k so if someone never changes it and it goes at 100k - its their own damn fault. not gm's and not a reliability issue with the motor. rubber timing belts wear out and dryrot. in every car theyre used in. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you're one of those "l67 is the only way to go" guys so i don't need to deal with you. but you also have to remember that the average person on the street, who knows absolutely nothing about an automobile, does not think about things like that. they want a reliable car that they won't have to sink a bunch of money into 5 or 6 years down the road. That and 3.4's are a royal pain in the ass to work on. thats why it's so expensive to have somebody else fix its problems. if an engine cant go 100,000 miles without expensive repairs, then it is unreliable. therefore the 3.4 dohc is unreliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patgizz Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 most cars nowadays have timing belts. are then they all unreliable because they have to have the belt changed under 100k miles? timing belt is not major repairs, it's preventative maintenance. get your shit straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbird232 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 For people who complain about how little of an aftermarket there is for a first gen w-body, you sure want to hang on to an engine that has almost NO aftermarket. What? Pre-gen? What the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 If this turns into another back and forth engine fight, I'm locking it. Let's get this back ontopic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminal67 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 first gen as in 88-96 w-body. 97+ is anything above 1997. simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 For people who complain about how little of an aftermarket there is for a first gen w-body, you sure want to hang on to an engine that has almost NO aftermarket. What? Pre-gen? What the fuck? That's what gen 2 owners on Club GP and shit call our cars... yeah.. them fightin' words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patgizz Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 That's what gen 2 owners on Club GP and shit call our cars... yeah.. them fightin' words. oooohhhhhh eff them. without our cars theirs wouldnt exist. and anyway this isnt a back and forth engine fight, it's for educational purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbird232 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 For people who complain about how little of an aftermarket there is for a first gen w-body, you sure want to hang on to an engine that has almost NO aftermarket. What? Pre-gen? What the fuck? That's what gen 2 owners on Club GP and shit call our cars... yeah.. them fightin' words. Yeah, I know what it means. I've just never heard any of OUR members call it that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hey 1st gen guys call em pre gens over there more then 2nd gen guys. You can keep your 3.4's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminal67 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hey 1st gen guys call em pre gens over there more then 2nd gen guys. You can keep your 3.4's. amen. there is nothing wrong with calling ourselves first gens. I don't see what is so offending about it. what else is there to call ourselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Umm... 1st gen? first gen is like calling our cars nothing. Like 2nd gen is all there is, so something older must be "first gen" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych0matt Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 pre gen doesnt even makes sense, IMO. before gen? wtf does that mean? so an earlier gp is like what, a wheel? anywho, its not that hard to do, really. other than having to get your hands dirty (heaven forbid) its fairly straightforward. yeah, these engines are kinda goofy, but I like it, and it'll be just as realiable as any other with regular maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbird232 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 The Chilton's Manual will have the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminal67 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Umm... 1st gen? first gen is like calling our cars nothing. Like 2nd gen is all there is, so something older must be "first gen" pre gen doesnt even makes sense, IMO. before gen? wtf does that mean? so an earlier gp is like what, a wheel? an earlier GP would be a first gen. right? so our cars would be like a 2nd gen technically. If not, them we could call ourselves "the middle-gen" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 an earlier GP would be a first gen. right? so our cars would be like a 2nd gen technically. If not, them we could call ourselves "the middle-gen" True... I'm not sure what gen our GPs are techically. But as far as w-bodies go they are first gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminal67 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 But as far as w-bodies go they are first gen. Agreed. I never thought "first gen" was offensive though. Maybe I'll start saying 1st gen now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 yeah i always heard first gen as a 97+ GTP owner calling us pre 97 cars. Its 1st gen. 1st Gen FWD grand prix, its like we dont exist...i absoultely hate when we're called that again shows the attitude of a good percentage of 2nd Gen people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwdjarvis3 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Is anybody going to tell him how to lock the cams and time it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 ROFL...this thread is about how to change the timing belt...not an engine or generation war...lol... sorry, i really dunno how to lock the cams and time a 3.4...i've never done one...now, if u were working on a ford escort with a zetec i'd be all over helping you out...hopefully someone will help and get this thread back on the right path! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych0matt Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 ive heard one trick of getting a spring clamp or something and putting one on each set of cams before belt removal, and then you don't have to redo anything. I just used the factory timing marks on mine though, but i recall not all of them having the marks or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathead45 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 i used the stock marks in the past. Didnt have a issue the 2nd time i did it. Since that was on topic here is my thought. I had a 3.4. Loved the sounds and the power above 40, but after spending $2000 in one year to keep it running with the reg maintance, it wasnt worth it anymore. So it was swap or sell. I chose swap cause i love my bodystyle. Some people do the swap for various reason and to each there own. I hated the 3.4, but i still loved it in some ironic way. Good luck on the timing belt. oh and i dont have a problem with people not wanting to swap, makes the ones that are done a lil more unique since there are not really a lot of swaps done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaiChemsya Posted May 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Ok, out of curiosity..... What car(s) is the L67 from? I am assuming a GTP. I will have to see if I can find one. It turns out that my belt was missing about five inches of teeth. This was caused by my tension actuator's back mount snapping. I tried using some heavy duty epoxy, but I have a feeling it won't work. So I am gonna see if I can't find the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaiChemsya Posted May 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 And just to air somthing since this became a big swap or no swap fight. I have always been against the swap to be honest. I wanted to make a badass stock block Z34. But since it seems that I really f'ed up somthing on the motor, I am considering the swap simply because it is looking like I will need alot of shit to get this part fixed. And I have always wanted a supercharged Z. And since that is nearly impossible. (I was actually toying with the idea of trying to squeeze a ProCharger centrifigal supercharger in the spot where the A/C compressor goes. Pretty sure I would have to relocate my oil filter though. This design would also allow for easy intercooling. But I don't even want to think of the $$$$ that project would cost. I would need to make a custom mounting bracket, most likely get a slim fan and radiator system, relocate the oil filter, not to mention the tuning and other small details to get it right.) So since my options right now are to basicly replace the whole side cover of the engine, or do a swap.... The swap almost sounds easier. And more worthwhile since my engine is old and does burn oil(about a quart a month depending on how hard I drive it). Here is a question though... Swap tips and instructions would be helpfull. I am sure there is a link somewhere that if I looked I would find. But what about the trans? Do I need to change it too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 pretty much complete how-to at http://www.l67swap.com and cars that L67's came in 97-03 Grand Prix GTP 97-04 Regal GS 97-99 Oldsmobile LSS 96-04 Bonneville SSEi 96-04? Park Avenue Ultra i believe those are the only ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 pretty much complete how-to at http://www.l67swap.com and cars that L67's came in 97-03 Grand Prix GTP 97-04 Regal GS 97-99 Oldsmobile LSS 96-04 Bonneville SSEi 96-04? Park Avenue Ultra i believe those are the only ones Forgot the buick riveara(sp? lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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