BXX Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Well, I decided to pull my TGPs 5-speed out and put it in my 96 CS.. The plans for the TGP dictate that the 282 wont even come close to handling the power from a turbo 3400. I really only have 1 question... Does the 3100 block have provisions for the 282's jackshaft bracket to attach to??? Oh, the TGP's booster and master cylinder (was converted to non-abs vacuum brakes) will be going into the CS as well since I want the damn crappy non-working ABS outta my way and outta my life.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 24 views and not one reply on whether the 3100 engine block has provisions for the 282's jackshaft bracket!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 fiero guys have 400 hp on stock 282s.... Whats your 3100 gona make? Yes any 3.1 or 2.8 jackshaft will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 fiero guys have 400 hp on stock 282s.... Whats your 3100 gona make? Yes any 3.1 or 2.8 jackshaft will work. at least 450hp Im not gonna risk the 5-speed, especially since the TGP will see slicks and the track a lot.. That of course is if it stays FWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldscsc Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 fiero guys have 400 hp on stock 282s.... Whats your 3100 gona make? Yes any 3.1 or 2.8 jackshaft will work. at least 450hp Im not gonna risk the 5-speed, especially since the TGP will see slicks and the track a lot.. That of course is if it stays FWD $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobracdr Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Go F40 six speed but IMHO the 282 will take it, the intermediate shaft and the axles wont. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 No nearly as much as you think!! At the most, $5K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 5ks not gona get 450hp into your 3100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Go F40 six speed but IMHO the 282 will take it, the intermediate shaft and the axles wont. Ken Even I doubt the F40 will take ultra hard launches on drap slicks Thats where a very built 4t65e-HD will be put to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 5ks not gona get 450hp into your 3100. Yeah, it will But aside from that, thats on the RWD conversion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 well i dont study into 3x00s so i suppose you know more about it than i do. And how do you know what the f40 can take? Theres a guy running it behind a twin turbo and highly modded 3900! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 well i dont study into 3x00s so i suppose you know more about it than i do. And how do you know what the f40 can take? Theres a guy running it behind a twin turbo and highly modded 3900! link on a TT 3900 please.. Doesnt mean it will handle it that long. Especially the way I abuse my cars. And honestly, taking a 180HP 3400 to 450hp with a turbo isnt that damn hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Ill post it up tonight. Any btw what do 3400s make anyway? 140whp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Ill post it up tonight. Any btw what do 3400s make anyway? 140whp? im stating crank hp, and they are about 185hp Seriousl, 3.4L V6, proper turbo setup and tuning... 450hp isnt a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 450hp should stay away from any gm 5spd unless its somehow built up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSI_MuNkY Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Wasn't Kuntzies TGP putting out something like that? He only had a problem with axles (16 of them in one season to be exact) although I can't remember if he was using a 282 or 284 at the time... Here, this should solve your problems http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-50.asp Shwing! Jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobracdr Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Kuntzie was using a 282 I believe with a spec 3 clutch like I am. He car was slammed to the ground which screwed up the angle of the cv shafts which most likely added to his failure of so many axles. The real problem is wheel hop, that is what breaks the axles. If you get an LSD diff in a 282 I hear it is much better with the wheel hop. The fiero guys are running LS7's with a 282 with little problems. You're not going to do 5 k dumps at the track on slicks but I'm sure it is fine with a good clutch and a reasonable person. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Pat installed a new Spec Stage 3 clutch and new flywheel.. Either way, I can trust a trans to track abuse on slicks when it was only intended for 140hp engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 this thread is funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 282s arent as weak as most people think they are.. Theres fiero guys who shove enough power through them to lift the front end. Yeah they snap lots of axles and in this one case i seen a guy actually break the aluminum trans case at the mount. Internals are solid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 And the Fiero's are a helluva lot lighter than any W-body could dream of being. A crap load less stress on it in a Fiero than in a W-body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 And the Fiero's are a helluva lot lighter than any W-body could dream of being. A crap load less stress on it in a Fiero than in a W-body. Thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 No, what I'm saying that you see the 282 holding up in the Fiero, except snapping axles, and in the rare instances the case cracks. What the hell do you expect it to do in a heavy ass W-body? Really, your going to have to have custom axle's made to handle not only the power your expecting, but the stupidly heavy weight of the vehicle itself. Then consider the "shock" that it will receive when ran with slicks, there gonna have to be a pretty nice set of axles. My pockets are even deep enough to shell out that type of money, and I could heat treat them for free here where I work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Actually fieros are quite heavy for their size. I think they weigh somthing like 2800lbs.. Plus when they put the v8s in them that weighs it down a bit... Still thats not my point. I was just stating that they are stronger than most people would think. Its pretty beefy for a 4cly trans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I don't disagree with the internals being strong. However, his issue is going to be transmitting the power outside of the transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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