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What other modifications did you have to make to the tune? Any fueling/timing sorta things?

I always used Permatex Die-electric Grease, which is just a silicone grease. I'm guessing whoever used Gummi Pflege doesn't frequent the forum any more. Sounds promising. Couldn't find any actual tests or comparisons. This was the closest thing I could find to a test: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1687676-Annoying-Door-Creaks-Gummi-Pflege-Test

If you like red better, I'd say keep the red. At least, from my POV, color is very important and I really like black. I know it's boring, but as an adult, I've only ever bought black cars as I like it so much. I'm not so big on rarity either, and I think you're right that the tan interior goes pretty good with the gold wheels. If you're not as hung up on color as I am, the next thing I'd find important is the body, more specifically, body parts that you can't easily swap like quarter panels. Does one have previous body work on a quarter panel, body filler, etc. while the other has clean original quarters? Body fillers might not give you any trouble for many decades if done well, just a skim coat, and stored indoors. I just feel like there's a lot of value in a really straight car. Other considerations, how much unobtainium do you still need for each car? Do you have the time to get the black one running, or will you get to it "someday" - but "someday" just never seems to get here (that's the story behind all my projects ).

Jiggity getting a turbo first gen?!?!

Just my $.02....The one you enjoy driving the most is the one you keep. There is something to be said about a mechanically sorted, but less than visually perfect vehicle that you can simply jump in and drive without worry. As much as I hate to say it, any 1st Gen W that isn't a total beater is relatively rare these days. Individual rarities within that are almost irrelevant when it comes to market value of these cars and I would go for the colour combo I like better, rather than the rarer combo every single time.

Both are pretty clean underneath. Not Southern California clean but pretty good - I have no concerns about their integrity. Obviously the black one isn't looking as hot now that it sat out side for a time. It likely won't be available till next spring at soonest as its in the very back of a pole barn and given that its October its probably well blocked in by other cars for winter storage by now. If you're interested PM me and we can take it from there. I have all sorts of parts that could be included including an engine. Its for sure not drivable without completely flushing the fuel out at minimum.

Ok, is the underside ok? How much would you want for the Black one?

Just the red one. Black is still PM3. If I keep it It will be getting converted before I drive it far.

That's a very cool pic. Did you say the ABS has been converted on both cars?

Here's a picture from back when the black car was in better days.

If you know Justin Worthing on FB...he use to have a Bright Red, Slate Gray cloth 1990 Turbo. It was in rough shape but absolutely no rust. Just needed to be cleaned and mechanical fixes. His is also 1 of the 4 Turbo cars I've seen with Gray interior. It's basically a base Turbo with no CD, moonroof, or leather.

Cloth.

that cloth or leather?

i was gonna whip this out but 94 olds beat me to it

I'll have to find some pictures. Best ones I have are from 10+ years ago when the black one was in far better shape. Long story short, engine blew up, it sat outside. Then I ended up with it and moved it to indoor storage but the time outside had already taken its toll. Right now its very dusty and sad looking and buried in the back of storage so its hard to even see it right now. Last couple weeks I've been daily driving my red one. Made me realize how much I've missed the turbo cars. I think technically speaking red/gray was the most rare color combo. If you'd have asked me years ago I'd have been on board with the gray interior all day long. Now I think the tan works with the gold wheels and badging. I'm torn because the chassis of the black car IS that much better. But I've put insane amounts of work into making the red one as good as it presently is. Not sure if rarity of the color combos really moves me like it would used to. Maybe I can use that to my advantage to get more money out of the black one. Some guy on FB wanted to buy both but wanted to pay a very small sum for them. I dono I think they tend to wear arrest me red better then black. I think whatever happens the sale of one and a bunch of parts will fund the restore of the other. I'm still very much torn as the black one when it was running really drove fantastically. I'm just rambling at this point.

With his Black car, I've only seen 4 with Gray interior. One of the 4 was a red car. This is 1 of the 4 gray interior cars. It was about an hour South of me at a private yard. It still might be there. Makes me incredibly sad.

If you like the red, keep the red one. It will be easier. I would go the torturous route because I would want the black/gray cloth one. That is what I want if I can find one. Or maybe the red one and swap to the gray cloth.

For me, definitely the Black one. It being Black...and having Medium Slate Gray cloth, that is uber rare in the TGP World. You know me, rarity is a big deal and that one is definitely incredibly rare and sought after. I firmly believe that even though it's not in the better shape, you'll regret selling it later.

My opinion would be to keep the car that is running and driving and start to do the body and paint work on it. I'm not sure how bad the exterior on the red TGP is. Body work can get expensive. I guess I would need some pictures of the red TGP.

So as some of you know I've recently pulled my red 90' TGP from its 9 years long slumber. I've been enjoying it quite a bit. Which has made me rethink selling all my TGP stuff... for the time being. However... I don't think I need 2 of these damn things. So help me decide which stays and which goes. Red 1990 TGP: Pros: Red/Tan leather/Sunroof/CD player 151,000 Miles Has the engine from my old wrecked TGP in it so approximately 40-50,000 fewer miles than the chassis, Runs great. recently rebuilt transmission Presently Running and driving Vacuum Brake converted Have brand new Turbo/Pontiac emblems in a box for it Body is pretty clean rust wise, no immediate concerns Rear subframe converted to 2g lat links 96' Front and rear brakes Cons: Needs a paint job Been in a few accidents, repaired... not the best. Could really use an entire Driver side B pillar replacement (have most of those parts) but is passable enough as is. Only original body panels are the pass door and fender. literally every other part has been replaced for one reason or another Black 1990 TGP: Pros: Black/Gray cloth/Tape deck I think 110,000 or someplace about there miles body is straight as an arrow Used to be owned by @LukeZ34so it has forum history 94' rear brakes Have a supposedly good engine on a stand for it. Cons: Also could use a paint job, not as bad but not good either Been off the road since about 2011, presently stored indoors Needs an engine - It ran but had very minimal oil pressure. Will need the fuel system totally flushed before it gets running. Still has PowerMaster brakes - worked last time it ran but it needs to go regardless. Obviously the black car is the better base on paper. But my irrational part loves how they look in red. Whats you guys take?

I just figured it out! Got the GXP brackets and calipers from NAPA. They cut the mounting part off and drilled/tapped new mounting holes.

I so very much hate these cross-era mashup cars, but my retinas are burned so I thought I'd share. https://www.junkyardlife.com/2015/11/luminac-repurposed-1958-cadillac-fins.html

I tried SSR ones. I think they're the same as the Trailblazer, but I'm not sure. It was the closest yet, but still not correct. Both of the holes on this bracket are 8 1/4 center to center. They're directly in line and the front brace is straight across. Not that that part really matters. I'm going to look at the Cardone catalog and see what I can find. I can ask them as well. Last resort I might take them off and see if NAPA can match them up. I did have my dad order GXP calipers with brackets from NAPA to his shop that I'm going to check out today, but I'm not very hopeful. Figured I'd give it a shot.

Reminds me of the caliper brackets on my Trailblazer. There's two kinds at the front, which has two-piston calipers. The calipers are the same, but the brackets are different between the regular-wheelbase Trailblazer (GMC Envoy, with Saab and Isuzu versions also.) and the extended-wheelbase Trailblazer and clones. The extended-wheelbase vehicles got slightly larger rotors, so the bolt spacing on the brackets is a little different.

all lights on with DRLS?........not here, as the moniker suggests DRL is daytime running lights for opposing traffic visibility. The original proposal for them was to be used in RURAL areas where the highway in front of you can stretch on in a relatively straight line for some distance, with the headlights on opposing traffic can be seen from a distance. They are not really needed at all in an urban environment.