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It was the 60's, you had to be there

If you don't care if it's pristine and you're not worried about resale value and just want a driver, you may as well keep the red one if that's the one you like. Maybe if you keep driving it, you'll change your mind about selling the black one and fix it up. I would love to have that one, but I already have the Monte project.

Its stupid and absurd.... therefore I kinda like it

I've never been a big fan of those style of fins from the late 50s. Seeing it on a lumina it reminds me of some type of fish.

Crazy alternate idea…..sell whatever is required and buy this red/tan, 3k mile TGP. it’s probably the closest thing to a new one left in existence at this point. https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302379627841983/?http_ref=eyJ0cyI6MTc2MDYzNzU2MjAwMCwiciI6IiJ9

Thats where I'm torn. my black car is very obviously the better car to keep just in that its never been wrecked where my red car has been slapped around quite a bit in its time and repaired in questionable ways, the worst of my red one is it was at one point hit in the drivers door/b pillar. that whole area of the car is still slightly pushed in. I have a spare b pillar I cut from my old TGP before I junked it but I need to seriously look at how that area of the car is assembled to see how feasible it is to replace that section of the chassis. But it comes down to being irrational. To me, that era of Pontiac looks best in red. Right now the red car is a functional car, it really needs nothing to do car related tasks. the black one needs an engine, I have an engine, never seen or heard it run so I'm unsure there. I haven't gotten to it in years so not sure when I'd get to it. Also It needs the PM3 ripped out, not a huge deal but one more thing to do. I'm totally over PM3 so I don't even care if it works or not, its going. As far as hard to find parts goes I have most, if not all of that. In fact plan A was to pull the engine from my red car and stick it in the black one, but now I'd feel bad scrapping the red car.

I see it trying to give Firebird III vibes...

What other modifications did you have to make to the tune? Any fueling/timing sorta things?

I always used Permatex Die-electric Grease, which is just a silicone grease. I'm guessing whoever used Gummi Pflege doesn't frequent the forum any more. Sounds promising. Couldn't find any actual tests or comparisons. This was the closest thing I could find to a test: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1687676-Annoying-Door-Creaks-Gummi-Pflege-Test

If you like red better, I'd say keep the red. At least, from my POV, color is very important and I really like black. I know it's boring, but as an adult, I've only ever bought black cars as I like it so much. I'm not so big on rarity either, and I think you're right that the tan interior goes pretty good with the gold wheels. If you're not as hung up on color as I am, the next thing I'd find important is the body, more specifically, body parts that you can't easily swap like quarter panels. Does one have previous body work on a quarter panel, body filler, etc. while the other has clean original quarters? Body fillers might not give you any trouble for many decades if done well, just a skim coat, and stored indoors. I just feel like there's a lot of value in a really straight car. Other considerations, how much unobtainium do you still need for each car? Do you have the time to get the black one running, or will you get to it "someday" - but "someday" just never seems to get here (that's the story behind all my projects ).

Jiggity getting a turbo first gen?!?!

Just my $.02....The one you enjoy driving the most is the one you keep. There is something to be said about a mechanically sorted, but less than visually perfect vehicle that you can simply jump in and drive without worry. As much as I hate to say it, any 1st Gen W that isn't a total beater is relatively rare these days. Individual rarities within that are almost irrelevant when it comes to market value of these cars and I would go for the colour combo I like better, rather than the rarer combo every single time.

Both are pretty clean underneath. Not Southern California clean but pretty good - I have no concerns about their integrity. Obviously the black one isn't looking as hot now that it sat out side for a time. It likely won't be available till next spring at soonest as its in the very back of a pole barn and given that its October its probably well blocked in by other cars for winter storage by now. If you're interested PM me and we can take it from there. I have all sorts of parts that could be included including an engine. Its for sure not drivable without completely flushing the fuel out at minimum.

Ok, is the underside ok? How much would you want for the Black one?

Just the red one. Black is still PM3. If I keep it It will be getting converted before I drive it far.

That's a very cool pic. Did you say the ABS has been converted on both cars?

Here's a picture from back when the black car was in better days.

If you know Justin Worthing on FB...he use to have a Bright Red, Slate Gray cloth 1990 Turbo. It was in rough shape but absolutely no rust. Just needed to be cleaned and mechanical fixes. His is also 1 of the 4 Turbo cars I've seen with Gray interior. It's basically a base Turbo with no CD, moonroof, or leather.

Cloth.

that cloth or leather?

i was gonna whip this out but 94 olds beat me to it

I'll have to find some pictures. Best ones I have are from 10+ years ago when the black one was in far better shape. Long story short, engine blew up, it sat outside. Then I ended up with it and moved it to indoor storage but the time outside had already taken its toll. Right now its very dusty and sad looking and buried in the back of storage so its hard to even see it right now. Last couple weeks I've been daily driving my red one. Made me realize how much I've missed the turbo cars. I think technically speaking red/gray was the most rare color combo. If you'd have asked me years ago I'd have been on board with the gray interior all day long. Now I think the tan works with the gold wheels and badging. I'm torn because the chassis of the black car IS that much better. But I've put insane amounts of work into making the red one as good as it presently is. Not sure if rarity of the color combos really moves me like it would used to. Maybe I can use that to my advantage to get more money out of the black one. Some guy on FB wanted to buy both but wanted to pay a very small sum for them. I dono I think they tend to wear arrest me red better then black. I think whatever happens the sale of one and a bunch of parts will fund the restore of the other. I'm still very much torn as the black one when it was running really drove fantastically. I'm just rambling at this point.

With his Black car, I've only seen 4 with Gray interior. One of the 4 was a red car. This is 1 of the 4 gray interior cars. It was about an hour South of me at a private yard. It still might be there. Makes me incredibly sad.

If you like the red, keep the red one. It will be easier. I would go the torturous route because I would want the black/gray cloth one. That is what I want if I can find one. Or maybe the red one and swap to the gray cloth.

For me, definitely the Black one. It being Black...and having Medium Slate Gray cloth, that is uber rare in the TGP World. You know me, rarity is a big deal and that one is definitely incredibly rare and sought after. I firmly believe that even though it's not in the better shape, you'll regret selling it later.