Which Turbo GP stays and which goes.

[White93z34]

So as some of you know I've recently pulled my red 90' TGP from its 9 years long slumber. I've been enjoying it quite a bit. Which has made me rethink selling all my TGP stuff... for the time being.

However... I don't think I need 2 of these damn things. So help me decide which stays and which goes. 

Red 1990 TGP:

Pros:

• Red/Tan leather/Sunroof/CD player
• 151,000 Miles  
• Has the engine from my old wrecked TGP in it so approximately 40-50,000 fewer miles than the chassis, Runs great.
• recently rebuilt transmission
• Presently Running and driving
• Vacuum Brake converted
• Have brand new Turbo/Pontiac emblems in a box for it
• Body is pretty clean rust wise, no immediate concerns
• Rear subframe converted to 2g lat links
• 96' Front and rear brakes

Cons:

• Needs a paint job
• Been in a few accidents, repaired... not the best. Could really use an entire Driver side B pillar replacement (have most of those parts) but is passable enough as is.
• Only original body panels are the pass door and fender. literally every other part has been replaced for one reason or another

 

Black 1990 TGP:

Pros:

• Black/Gray cloth/Tape deck
• I think 110,000 or someplace about there miles
• body is straight as an arrow 
• Used to be owned by @LukeZ34so it has forum history
• 94' rear brakes
• Have a supposedly good engine on a stand for it.

Cons: 

• Also could use a paint job, not as bad but not good either
• Been off the road since about 2011, presently stored indoors
• Needs an engine - It ran but had very minimal oil pressure.
• Will need the fuel system totally flushed before it gets running.
• Still has PowerMaster brakes - worked last time it ran but it needs to go regardless.

 

Obviously the black car is the better base on paper. But my irrational part loves how they look in red. Whats you guys take?

[94 olds vert]

My opinion would be to keep the car that is running and driving and start to do the body and paint work on it. I'm not sure how bad the exterior on the red TGP is. Body work can get expensive. I guess I would need some pictures of the red TGP. 

 

 

[jiggity76]

2 hours ago, White93z34 said:

So as some of you know I've recently pulled my red 90' TGP from its 9 years long slumber. I've been enjoying it quite a bit. Which has made me rethink selling all my TGP stuff... for the time being.

However... I don't think I need 2 of these damn things. So help me decide which stays and which goes. 

Red 1990 TGP:

Pros:

• Red/Tan leather/Sunroof/CD player
• 151,000 Miles  
• Has the engine from my old wrecked TGP in it so approximately 40-50,000 fewer miles than the chassis, Runs great.
• recently rebuilt transmission
• Presently Running and driving
• Vacuum Brake converted
• Have brand new Turbo/Pontiac emblems in a box for it
• Body is pretty clean rust wise, no immediate concerns
• Rear subframe converted to 2g lat links
• 96' Front and rear brakes

Cons:

• Needs a paint job
• Been in a few accidents, repaired... not the best. Could really use an entire Driver side B pillar replacement (have most of those parts) but is passable enough as is.
• Only original body panels are the pass door and fender. literally every other part has been replaced for one reason or another

 

Black 1990 TGP:

Pros:

• Black/Gray cloth/Tape deck
• I think 110,000 or someplace about there miles
• body is straight as an arrow 
• Used to be owned by @LukeZ34so it has forum history
• 94' rear brakes
• Have a supposedly good engine on a stand for it.

Cons: 

• Also could use a paint job, not as bad but not good either
• Been off the road since about 2011, presently stored indoors
• Needs an engine - It ran but had very minimal oil pressure.
• Will need the fuel system totally flushed before it gets running.
• Still has PowerMaster brakes - worked last time it ran but it needs to go regardless.

 

Obviously the black car is the better base on paper. But my irrational part loves how they look in red. Whats you guys take?

For me, definitely the Black one.  It being Black...and having Medium Slate Gray cloth, that is uber rare in the TGP World.  You know me, rarity is a big deal and that one is definitely incredibly rare and sought after.  I firmly believe that even though it's not in the better shape, you'll regret selling it later.

[pwmin]

If you like the red, keep the red one.  It will be easier.  I would go the torturous route because I would want the black/gray cloth one.  That is what I want if I can find one.  Or maybe the red one and swap to the gray cloth.  

Edited yesterday at 03:36 PM by pwmin

[jiggity76]

4 minutes ago, pwmin said:

If you like the red, keep the red one.  It will be easier.  I would go the torturous route because I would want the black/gray cloth one.  That is what I want if I can find one.  Or maybe the ted one and swap to the gray cloth.  

With his Black car, I've only seen 4 with Gray interior.  One of the 4 was a red car.  This is 1 of the 4 gray interior cars.  It was about an hour South of me at a private yard.  It still might be there.  Makes me incredibly sad.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:37 PM by jiggity76

[White93z34]

I'll have to find some pictures. Best ones I have are from 10+ years ago when the black one was in far better shape. Long story short, engine blew up, it sat outside. Then I ended up with it and moved it to indoor storage but the time outside had already taken its toll. Right now its very dusty and sad looking and buried in the back of storage so its hard to even see it right now.

Last couple weeks I've been daily driving my red one. Made me realize how much I've missed the turbo cars.

I think technically speaking red/gray was the most rare color combo. If you'd have asked me years ago I'd have been on board with the gray interior all day long. Now I think the tan works with the gold wheels and badging. I'm torn because the chassis of the black car IS that much better. But I've put insane amounts of work into making the red one as good as it presently is. Not sure if rarity of the color combos really moves me like it would used to. Maybe I can use that to my advantage to get more money out of the black one. Some guy on FB wanted to buy both but wanted to pay a very small sum for them.

I dono I think they tend to wear arrest me red better then black.

I think whatever happens the sale of one and a bunch of parts will fund the restore of the other. I'm still very much torn as the black one when it was running really drove fantastically. I'm just rambling at this point.

[rcLord510]

i was gonna whip this out but 94 olds beat me to it

 

Edited yesterday at 06:59 PM by rcLord510

[rcLord510]

3 hours ago, jiggity76 said:

With his Black car, I've only seen 4 with Gray interior.  One of the 4 was a red car.  This is 1 of the 4 gray interior cars.  It was about an hour South of me at a private yard.  It still might be there.  Makes me incredibly sad.

 

that cloth or leather?

[jiggity76]

4 hours ago, rcLord510 said:

that cloth or leather?

Cloth.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by jiggity76

[jiggity76]

7 hours ago, White93z34 said:

I'll have to find some pictures. Best ones I have are from 10+ years ago when the black one was in far better shape. Long story short, engine blew up, it sat outside. Then I ended up with it and moved it to indoor storage but the time outside had already taken its toll. Right now its very dusty and sad looking and buried in the back of storage so its hard to even see it right now.

Last couple weeks I've been daily driving my red one. Made me realize how much I've missed the turbo cars.

I think technically speaking red/gray was the most rare color combo. If you'd have asked me years ago I'd have been on board with the gray interior all day long. Now I think the tan works with the gold wheels and badging. I'm torn because the chassis of the black car IS that much better. But I've put insane amounts of work into making the red one as good as it presently is. Not sure if rarity of the color combos really moves me like it would used to. Maybe I can use that to my advantage to get more money out of the black one. Some guy on FB wanted to buy both but wanted to pay a very small sum for them.

I dono I think they tend to wear arrest me red better then black.

I think whatever happens the sale of one and a bunch of parts will fund the restore of the other. I'm still very much torn as the black one when it was running really drove fantastically. I'm just rambling at this point.

If you know Justin Worthing on FB...he use to have a Bright Red, Slate Gray cloth 1990 Turbo.  It was in rough shape but absolutely no rust.  Just needed to be cleaned and mechanical fixes.  His is also 1 of the 4 Turbo cars I've seen with Gray interior.  It's basically a base Turbo with no CD, moonroof, or leather.

[White93z34]

Here's a picture from back when the black car was in better days.

[jiggity76]

4 hours ago, White93z34 said:

Here's a picture from back when the black car was in better days.

That's a very cool pic.

Did you say the ABS has been converted on both cars?

[White93z34]

Just the red one. Black is still PM3. If I keep it It will be getting converted before I drive it far.

[jiggity76]

1 hour ago, White93z34 said:

Just the red one. Black is still PM3. If I keep it It will be getting converted before I drive it far.

Ok, is the underside ok?  How much would you want for the Black one?

[White93z34]

Both are pretty clean underneath. Not Southern California clean but pretty good - I have no concerns about their integrity. Obviously the black one isn't looking as hot now that it sat out side for a time. It likely won't be available till next spring at soonest as its in the very back of a pole barn and given that its October its probably well blocked in by other cars for winter storage by now.

If you're interested PM me and we can take it from there. I have all sorts of parts that could be included including an engine. Its for sure not drivable without completely flushing the fuel out at minimum.

[Black92GS]

Just my $.02....The one you enjoy driving the most is the one you keep. There is something to be said about a mechanically sorted, but less than visually perfect vehicle that you can simply jump in and drive without worry. 

As much as I hate to say it, any 1st Gen W that isn't a total beater is relatively rare these days.  Individual rarities within that are almost irrelevant when it comes to market value of these cars and I would go for the colour combo I like better, rather than the rarer combo every single time.