lb79theone Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Hi all! I was just wondering, I have a ram air intake on my 3100 ls Monte and I had it fall down a few times now over bumps because it is freely hanging there, and its clamped fairly tight on there now but, and I was just wondering if I can just put a cone right on the TB? I know older muscle cars do it like Novas and there carbd but I was wondering if I can do that also? I have a O2 sensor and a mass air flow sensor and IDK if I can do this or not. I see when ppl install FWIs that they do not do these sensors? So can I just clamp a cone on my TB or no? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Sure you can!!! It just wont run worth a damn or run at all.. The MAF is what tells the PCM the most to be used for fueling calculations. Go without it, and at best, the ECM goes into limp mode and runs the best it can off the default VE map. Also, it will suck up warm air, far warmer than stock and will loose power. You want to get cold air, so go over you CAI a bit more, make sure its secure and fab up a bracket to keep it secure. The guys you see without the MAF are the guys on here with 2.8L/3.1L MPFI engines, which since 1989 didnt have a MAF, they strickly used the MAP sensor for VE fueling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Heres a couple shots of my CAI I fabbed up. Its 3", so if you are running smaller, you need to go 3" for best results. Also, make sure the MAF isnt within 8" of the TB.. Trust me on this. Our MAF has a bit of lag from when it gets the signal from the incoming air to the time the ECM uses it for fueling. Its only a couple milliseconds, but run the MAF too close or too far, and you will notice it run a bit bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb79theone Posted December 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Ok thats what I thought thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SappySE107 Posted December 24, 2008 Report Share Posted December 24, 2008 Yes, there is a setting for how many inches the MAF is from the TB. ROFL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Yes, there is a setting for how many inches the MAF is from the TB. ROFL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Yes, there is a setting for how many inches the MAF is from the TB. ROFL! No, there isnt, but there is a response time... Sorry, this info comes from a electronic engineer for ACDelco and Delphi... I have no reason to doubt what he says And I even tried it, trial and error.. Throttle response was noticably bad when I had it right near the TB, had slight hesitation and a slight miss here and there.. I changed it back and dont have an issue whatsoever Soo, im going off advice from an electical engineer for GM who I used to work with and my real life experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 my 3100 doesn't have a MAF... its a 95 monte ls so technicly i could put a cone on and call it good, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 i do believe your monte does have a MAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 DO NOT do that... You will f with your MAF because you lose the flow of air along with the air velocity and your sucking in warm air... 3 big ways to lose power and gas mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Fury Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Warm air helps MPG, silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Regal Limited Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Warm air helps MPG, silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Fury Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 What are you laughing at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 What are you laughing at? Warm air reduces overall efficiency which can result in worse mpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Fury Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I could have sworn... Why do people do warm air intakes then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I could have sworn... Why do people do warm air intakes then? because warm air intakes are easier to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Fury Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 No they were doing them to improve mpgs! I swear! Ahh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 No they were doing them to improve mpgs! I swear! Ahh! haha most people dont think that much when they mod theyre cars. They just want to "stick a cone right onto their tb".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 They put it on there cause they're... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to eaton Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 No they were doing them to improve mpgs! I swear! Ahh! Buck is right. WAI will make you mpg go up some in winter temps, But you will lose you ass in the summer. so CAI= Summer WAI=Winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 feel free to point it out to me... i'm linking to photobucket cause i don't know what else to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 i wasnt considering putting on a cone directly to the TB but i was just saying with Speed-Density it is possible( not sure what to do about the IAT sensor though...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfangd Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 this thread is lol. My 94 cutlass doesnt have MAF either. On my intrepid i was able to use the factory tube and put the pipe right onto the tube and set it into the airbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 feel free to point it out to me... i'm linking to photobucket cause i don't know what else to do Im too lazy to look back and see what this post is referencing but you do not have a maf and if your looking for mpg then plug your IAT back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 feel free to point it out to me... i'm linking to photobucket cause i don't know what else to do Im too lazy to look back and see what this post is referencing but you do not have a maf and if your looking for mpg then plug your IAT back in. i know i don't have a MAF, i was just making it obvious to those that should think otherwise... and the car hasn't been driven for a while so i yanked the battery and have it hooked up to a battery maintainer, thats why the IAT is unplugged, little less work getting the battery back in when i do need to drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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