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The Holy Grail - Rebuilding the Getrag 284 5TM60


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#1 crazyd

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 12:39 PM

Here we go.  What will it take to rebuild the mythical 284?  Tools, tooling, nonexistent service parts.  A couple of us have split the cases on these (including me) and it's a one-way trip even if you don't lose any parts.  Manual transaxles have been dwindling in production for years as is the expertise at rebuilding them.  Can 3D-printing, crowdfunding, or any other 2018 technologies make this feasible for the handful of us that still have them?  What parts interchange from the 282 or from other transmissions?


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:32 PM

Not having been involved with the trans.....what parts are available vs not available?

 

I take it that no one else on the forum was aware that the same Getrag 284 was used by Chrysler in the TC Maserati cars 1988-1990.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:06 PM

To keep this information together, you should have a reference to the other threads on the subject, specifically the one you posted in the other thread:

 

http://www.w-body.co...30-5-speed-swap

http://www.w-body.co...serviceability/

 

 

Someone should probably go through the threads and pull the relevant information together into one place, and possibly by topic (disassembly, part numbers, specs, part dimentions, etc)


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:12 PM

Not having been involved with the trans.....what parts are available vs not available?

 

I take it that no one else on the forum was aware that the same Getrag 284 was used by Chrysler in the TC Maserati cars 1988-1990.

Didn't know that, now I do.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:24 PM

Turns out, only 501 Manual TCs were made, 387 in 89, and the rest in 1990. Here is one: https://www.ebay.com...ve/253549628655


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:53 PM

Alternately, what would be the benefit of this versus Re building a 282 with some stronger parts, aside from the gearing?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:21 PM

55trucker, on 11 Apr 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

 

I take it that no one else on the forum was aware that the same Getrag 284 was used by Chrysler in the TC Maserati cars 1988-1990.

 

Yeah, I knew, but there were so few of them made, they were so broadly disliked, and so few are still running that it's not really helpful to the cause.  That's what I meant when I said the 284 was "largely overlooked" by the rest of the industry.  :)


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92 ASC GTP-3.4 284 5sp, HUD, DIC, AQ9's

88 Fiero GTs - L32 3.4 & ZZ430 5.7 282 5sp - the twins

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:25 PM

Psych0matt, on 11 Apr 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

Alternately, what would be the benefit of this versus Re building a 282 with some stronger parts, aside from the gearing?

 

Much smoother shifts.  The 284 vs the 282 is like night and day in shift quality.  The pull clutch torque capacity is also far greater in stock configuration, with less effort on the clutch pedal.  And the case is larger and stronger than a 282's.  Most 282's fail at the spider gears in the diff.


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92 ASC GTP-3.4 284 5sp, HUD, DIC, AQ9's

88 Fiero GTs - L32 3.4 & ZZ430 5.7 282 5sp - the twins

'04 Z06 Corvette Convertible - parts getter in a hurry

'14 Escalade ESV Platinum - Toy Hauler


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:03 PM

Just a suggestion here. Could the powers that be consider making a page in the specialty forums for everything manual transmission related? I think there is enough interest on here to justify a dedicated spot on this website for swaps, troubleshooting, and everything in between.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:50 PM

Just a suggestion here. Could the powers that be consider making a page in the specialty forums for everything manual transmission related? I think there is enough interest on here to justify a dedicated spot on this website for swaps, troubleshooting, and everything in between.

 

That's a good idea, but it would make more sense to have a general "Transmission" subforum in powertrain than one specific to Getrag, There really isn't enough getrag specific to support an entire subforum on it's own IMO but it would be nice to have transmission narrowed down from the rest of the drivetrain.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 10:51 PM

Just a suggestion here. Could the powers that be consider making a page in the specialty forums for everything manual transmission related? I think there is enough interest on here to justify a dedicated spot on this website for swaps, troubleshooting, and everything in between.

 

Fully support this idea.  284s have their own set of completely unique problems and solutions apart from automatics.  Lots of things (including even the TDC engine) are different in the 5-speed W cars.  As this is the only platform in GM to have ever used this transaxle and there is still so much ongoing need for support and manual-transaxle specific knowledge, not just from factory original cars but from swaps as well, I second the vote for a separate 5-speed subforum.


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92 ASC GTP-3.4 284 5sp, HUD, DIC, AQ9's

88 Fiero GTs - L32 3.4 & ZZ430 5.7 282 5sp - the twins

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'14 Escalade ESV Platinum - Toy Hauler


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:34 AM

The 282 is a perfectly fine, rebuildable, stout transaxle. Nothing wrong with it.

 

The 284 IMO is best suited to the LQ1s power. Its from my understanding a extremely strong transaxle.

 

But really, I'm not here to discuss the pros/cons of changing it for a different one. I'd like to keep this topic pretty on track and not get side tracked with swapping the 284 for other transaxles as a solution.

 

As for parts that you can currently buy, right now. I believe its limited to Output shaft seals. and... thats it.

 

I'll have to scan in the breakdown from a service manual


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:55 AM

These are what Advance has for the Maserati 284......

 

https://shop.advance...smissions.c9969

 

 

for those who have one are these #'s accurate?


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 01:23 AM

I have no idea. Bearings will be the least of our problems. Its highly unlikely that those will be hard to source so long as we can get the information off what's inside the transaxle

 

I was just looking at my 93 service manual. It may take awhile to scan that in. The breakdown is gigantic.

 

I have a 284 with a bad 3rd gear syncro/blocker that I'm willing to take apart. Just a bit intimidated to do so.


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:10 AM

There's a couple other things you can readily get for a 284 - clutch set (been thru 4 of them myself, all replaced under lifetime warranty at Autozone), speedo sensor, flywheel, master/slave/accumulator, mount.  The list of internal stuff we need is actually pretty small.  Differential output shaft bearings, input shaft seal, syncros and blocker rings.  Other than that it's just the tooling and tools to put it back together (especially the detent assembly).  I wouldn't recommend taking apart any 284 that you plan to reassemble at this point.


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92 ASC GTP-3.4 284 5sp, HUD, DIC, AQ9's

88 Fiero GTs - L32 3.4 & ZZ430 5.7 282 5sp - the twins

'04 Z06 Corvette Convertible - parts getter in a hurry

'14 Escalade ESV Platinum - Toy Hauler


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 11:21 AM

Not really much help, but two links that might be of interest at least.

https://www.wholesal...assembly=400655

 

This page has some of the breakdown from the original manual - scroll a few posts down.

http://www.60degreev...manufacture-kit


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:01 PM

That's the thing. I Have a feeling If I try and split the case I'll never get it back together.

 

But I have to open it up in order to work on it. So I'll have to learn the hard way, it looks like.


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:30 PM

Just a suggestion here. Could the powers that be consider making a page in the specialty forums for everything manual transmission related? I think there is enough interest on here to justify a dedicated spot on this website for swaps, troubleshooting, and everything in between.

I also would like to see this. Powertrain is way to generic of a category. Should have trans and engine with subcategories for each. These topics and brakes suspension is really the biggest reason people post

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:02 PM

I also would like to see this. Powertrain is way to generic of a category. Should have trans and engine with subcategories for each. These topics and brakes suspension is really the biggest reason people post

 

I am not sure how hard it is to add these, and it would be even harder to try and move old posts into them. One option that could help at least target posts better would be a drop down, similar to how some forums do for sale posts (Options like FS, TW, SOLD,DONE,WTB, etc) that could have both motor and trans options listed (4CYL,2.8, 3.1, 3.4, 3.5, 3.8, OM, AUTO, 282, 284, F40, OT) that could be selected for each post so the topics would be easier to find. 


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:40 AM

I'll take it under consideration, but please lets keep this on track.


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