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#41 Imp558

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:03 PM

X2 on the L36 being fun to drive! I’ve got impala SS brakes with an intake down pipe, tune, and front and rear strut tower bars. This thing is a blast to drive!

 

 If you think about it that makes more sense. A car with a shit ton at the crank that doesn't handle well or make you proud enough to look back at it isn't as fun to drive.

Tires can make a HUGE difference too.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 09:15 PM

I took my 01 Grand Prix to Texas Motor Speedway for a Laps for Charity event. I had equipped the car with poly bushings, KYBs, and lowering springs along with some sticky 245/45/18s. I stayed until they shut the lights off that night, getting in four runs, the last two being great fun since the crowds had died by that point. My L36 had the Powerlog, downpipe w/hi-flo cat and Thrush mufflers, drilled-slotted rotors w/ceramic pads, K&N intake, ZZP HVTB, and HV3 insert. The last run was the pace car, me and a Porsche. I think the pace car driver wanted to go home because he got lost in a hurry (It was an Impala SS btw)and I let the GP run high on the banks. It stayed planted much better than I expected, but coming off the back straight at 110 had the little guy behind my eyeballs saying "Hey dummy, you gotta drive this thing back to Virginia tomorrow!) So I backed down...but wow! So on the whole, I really cant say a blower would have made that experience any more exciting. As a matter of fact, one of my friends there with a GTP swapped cars with me for one run, and he came back saying, "I'll never call that car slow again." LOL
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:17 AM

 If you think about it that makes more sense. A car with a shit ton at the crank that doesn't handle well or make you proud enough to look back at it isn't as fun to drive.

Tires can make a HUGE difference too.

Thats 100% true. Thats where I get most of my enjoyment out of the car. I can fly down some of these curvy roads that I know most cars on the road wouldn't take or drivers that are confident enough to push the car that far. Is it dangerous yes very but I've learned a lot about how my car handles and how far I can push it.

 

going into corners once you realize your going WAY to fast you can't use the brakes because it just further upsets the chassis. you learn that very quick in autocross. the only real way to slow down is either start dropping gears or hold on tight and push the car to its maximum lateral force and let the friction help slow you down.

 

if you can use the whole road your even better but I don't suggest doing that unless you know the road very well and its a very low traveled road. but learning the brakes is key... they can help you out a lot or they can just piss the car off to the point that you have virtually no control and its scary if you don't realize that. 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:26 AM

Hard driving really should be done more on the tracks. No families on their way to dairy queen getting in the way.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:35 AM

Hard driving really should be done more on the tracks. No families on their way to dairy queen getting in the way.

True but the only track around me is Summit Point and that would kill my car. Ill put it this way. my cousin with his Camaro and Corvette won't go to any road course tracks like that because they are so hard on the car. 


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 05:01 AM

I can see both sides of that point. I took my Taurus to Virginia International Raceway for a Laps for Charity event and promptly warped a rotor. The track is a thing of beauty with rolling hills, banked and downhill curves both tight and sweeping. Its great fun to drive but hard on the throttle and hard on the brakes is more intense than any freeway on ramp. On and off ramps free of traffic are generally where I like to feel the cornering power.  A few select locations near me combine both a sweeping ramp that dumps into a long acceleration lane before merging...those are my faves.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 07:39 AM

Hard driving really should be done more on the tracks. No families on their way to dairy queen getting in the way.

I haven't seen one of those in years...

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:24 PM

I haven't seen one of those in years...

Lol I'm guessing you live up north? They're everywhere in NC!

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 01:51 PM

Thats 100% true. Thats where I get most of my enjoyment out of the car. I can fly down some of these curvy roads that I know most cars on the road wouldn't take or drivers that are confident enough to push the car that far. Is it dangerous yes very but I've learned a lot about how my car handles and how far I can push it. going into corners once you realize your going WAY to fast you can't use the brakes because it just further upsets the chassis. you learn that very quick in autocross. the only real way to slow down is either start dropping gears or hold on tight and push the car to its maximum lateral force and let the friction help slow you down. if you can use the whole road your even better but I don't suggest doing that unless you know the road very well and its a very low traveled road. but learning the brakes is key... they can help you out a lot or they can just piss the car off to the point that you have virtually no control and its scary if you don't realize that.

I love flying down 2 roads at night bc there curvy and I can see someone coming. You got to know how your car going to react to things, back tires are super important and over looked bc the w body the ass end come around on u quick if u hit a hard corner and wrong tires on back Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:42 PM

If the backend is coming out on a FWD car on clean dry pavement your doing something VERY wrong. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:59 PM

Not really. W cars, especially the 1G cars but also the 2G/3G to an extent, are extremely prone to oversteer. 

 

When I had my old LE, my buddies and I used to go to housing plans that were under construction and fly around the empty streets, usually totally sideways.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 04:31 PM

Everyone loves the LS4 until you have to work on it.

 

Or put a transmission in it.

 

Or put a PS pump on it.

 

Or put a rack in it.

 

Or just you know, basically anything because LS in a WBody.

 

THE best thing ever for the GXP was corn, 3" exhaust, built tranny/gear/stall, and some tuning.

 

The LS4 manifold is super restrictive as well...so it's not as great as most people think.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 04:57 PM

It would seem the only positive to an LS4 in a W-Body is it makes LQ1 W-bodies seem easy to work on in comparison.


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:10 AM

Lol I'm guessing you live up north? They're everywhere in NC!

 

I'm in the DC area. They're around but they're hard as hell to find. I have a better shot of finding a Roy Rogers. 

 

Oh and here's a nice one for you... Bojangles. Everywhere in NC and the Richmond area. None in the Northern part of VA, one in DC (in the Amtrak station) and 5 or 6 of em in PG county Maryland.

 

Got shitloads of 7-11s though, sometimes side to side from each other. 

 

It would seem the only positive to an LS4 in a W-Body is it makes LQ1 W-bodies seem easy to work on in comparison.

 

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 01:11 PM

I'm in the DC area. They're around but they're hard as hell to find. I have a better shot of finding a Roy Rogers. 

 

Oh and here's a nice one for you... Bojangles. Everywhere in NC and the Richmond area. None in the Northern part of VA, one in DC (in the Amtrak station) and 5 or 6 of em in PG county Maryland.

 

Got shitloads of 7-11s though, sometimes side to side from each other. 

 

 

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I think I've said enough.

When I started looking for an F-body, I specifically avoided the 4th generation cars for that specific reason; sticking the engine halfway under the windshield wasn't one of GM's better ideas--plus, I thought the 3rd generation cars looked nicer.


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 11:09 AM

When I started looking for an F-body, I specifically avoided the 4th generation cars for that specific reason; sticking the engine halfway under the windshield wasn't one of GM's better ideas--plus, I thought the 3rd generation cars looked nicer.

 

I had the V6 and it wasn't that bad to do, but when I put short length headers, which is the only thing they make for it - I shot myself in the foot. Changing the spark plugs meant taking the headers off. Doing the LIMG on the 3800 was a PITA. There's an engine lift bracket that GM put in the BACK of the engine that blocked part of the plenum.


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Posted 01 January 2018 - 07:08 PM

Okay, after my trip to the salvage yard I definitely see the benefit a lot of you mentioned with a top swap...but for me, still a lot of work. However, having the entire engine pulled by the salvage yard is making me think. I've done some reading and it seems the Gen V blower is WAY more efficient than the M90 (I was wondering why it had such a large pulley) and correct me if I'm off base here, but swapping this eliminates the intake leak issue the L36 suffers from? Also, do I take the PCM from the 07 car? I was thinking the top swap would require a custom tune. This would indeed be much less expensive than the ZZ kit but a ton more work and tuning I know squat about. Still, doing the swap and instantly moving the L36 up to Northstar power levels plus better reliability is a good thing. And I do want it to be reliable. I may not daily drive the car but I don't want to fear taking it on a road trip either. Or maybe I just do the HV3, plug the coolant holes and call it a day. I've never owned a supercharged car so not sure how much I'd like the blower whine over the NA growl. I know that sounds childish, but its factor nonetheless.

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 07:21 PM

The 07 PCM is very different from yours, you would need a PCM from an L67 car around the same year. The PCM you have could be re-programmed with a boosted tune too and that may be a better option if you were to go with a Gen V since the Gen III calibration wouldn't be quite right anyway.

 

You would need the heads, intake, SC, fuel rails, a new harmonic balancer, injectors, a TB adapter to a cable throttle body and a few other things to pull it off. The 07 TB is drive by wire.

 

And yes, no plastic plenum means no plastic molded coolant passages to crack.


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Posted 01 January 2018 - 07:50 PM

I do already have a L26 aluminum upper intake that I was going to put on the Bonneville but never did so. This is the problem with the mod bug..it starts ideas that may or may not come to pass, but they still cost $$$ LOL

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 07:51 PM

I've done some reading and it seems the Gen V blower is WAY more efficient than the M90 (I was wondering why it had such a large pulley) and correct me if I'm off base here, but swapping this eliminates the intake leak issue the L36 suffers from?

 

The Gen V is an M90. It's the 5th generation of it. The stock pulley is the same size on all GM M90s (3.8"). All 3800s without the revised intake manifold gaskets leak. You'll need new gaskets anyway. 

 

 

Also, do I take the PCM from the 07 car? I was thinking the top swap would require a custom tune.

 

No. You don't need a new PCM, nor can you use the 2007 PCM. You need your current one tuned.

 

 

And I do want it to be reliable. I may not daily drive the car but I don't want to fear taking it on a road trip either. 

 

There's nothing unreliable about the factory supercharger setup. An L67/L32 is just as reliable as an L36/L26.

 

 

 I've never owned a supercharged car so not sure how much I'd like the blower whine over the NA growl. I know that sounds childish, but its factor nonetheless.

 

With a stock intake, you really can't hear the blower.


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