jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 91 Cutlass vert looking pretty sad. It's a 3.1 car and has black or dark grey leather interior. Pretty solid underneath though and interior is original except for the aftermarket cd player. UB3 cluster but I think it had the standard ac/heater controls. It's down the street from my mom's house in Dallas City, IL. Knocked on the door but no answer. I'll try again when I go home to see mama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Imp558 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 No shit Dude! Another Triple Black! I'm sure Jay will chime in with the stats, I got to spend a couple days with Chinese Matt's Triple Black at a meet in Toledo a couple years ago, absolutely stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 If it's cheap, I'm thinking about seeing if it's for sale. I don't know much about verts but I think it's a good looking car. It would go nicely with my 91 International coupe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I hope you get it, I wouldn't elude to the fact that it's on the rare side. Convertibles are a little like super powers though, they come with great responsibility. So many of the odds and ends are impossible to get. Galaxie500XL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 My understanding is that any 91 vert is rare, maybe the 90 vert is super rare? I assume that the 92-94 vert parts are somewhat interchangeable with the 90-91 cars? It's sad but it seems like I've been seeing a lot of 94 verts in salvage yards lately so If they do interchange, maybe parts won't be so bad to find. In fact, I'm going to look at a 94 parts car vert this Saturday. I recently pulled a complete HUD system out of a 94 vert up in MN and last Monday, I pulled a 3.4 DOHC engine cover and factory CD player out of another 94 vert (posted pics of it under Junkyard thread, never ending). Last week, I found a red 92 vert with black leather and black top down in Des Moines, IA at the Wrench N Go. I haven't posted pics yet but will soon. Luke94vert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1994 was the highest production year with 8638 made. 460 1990s and 1383 1991s were made. IF that car is a 1991 and the original top color, it's 1 of 7 made in Black/black/gray. Graphite interior was not available in 1991, just light gray, red and blue. Imp558 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 1994 was the highest production year with 8638 made. 460 1990s and 1383 1991s were made. IF that car is a 1991 and the original top color, it's 1 of 7 made in Black/black/gray. Graphite interior was not available in 1991, just light gray, red and blue. Awesome info, thanks Manic. It's definitely a gray color interior. I'll try to get someone at the door next time I'm there which will be next week. Who knows, maybe I'll buy it. I'll try to get the VIN too. It looks like a 91 to me but maybe it's a 90? I don't know but hopefully the VIN will get some answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1991olds Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Interesting! I think for the most part the interchange of parts would be 91-92-93 for some interior items, 90-91 for some of the body items, but I remember reading the 90s didn't have as much support structure as 91. Anyway the thing that makes me wonder if it is a 1990 is the tail lights, most 91's I see have black at the very bottom of the tail light. I see in the pic that the bottom of the tail light is chrome (strip). Not sure if that was a trim option or what. Also what the heck with that luggage rack my gawd lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Interesting! I think for the most part the interchange of parts would be 91-92-93 for some interior items, 90-91 for some of the body items, but I remember reading the 90s didn't have as much support structure as 91. Anyway the thing that makes me wonder if it is a 1990 is the tail lights, most 91's I see have black at the very bottom of the tail light. I see in the pic that the bottom of the tail light is chrome (strip). Not sure if that was a trim option or what. Also what the heck with that luggage rack my gawd lol. Good eye! I didn't notice the tail light trim but was also wondering about the luggage rack. Is the rack factory then or did someone add it? All this time the car has sat here and I didn't even know it until recently. I usually go into/out of the east side of town when I visit mom and this car is located on the west side of town. That's how I found it, I decided to go west for some reason and couldn't believe my eyes! By the way, my 91 International has the black trim at the bottom of the tail lights so maybe your right, could be a 1990 model year car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1991olds Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I just poked around looking at 1990 convertibles, what I saw have the chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights. 1991's so far as I see are black like this one https://www.mecum.com/lots/DA0915-222906/1991-oldsmobile-cutlass-convertible/ In the 1991 Oldsmobile Brochure though, the picture they use for the 1991 convertible DOES have a chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights.. but maybe they used a pic of a 1990 for the 91 brochure figuring it looks the same body style wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I just poked around looking at 1990 convertibles, what I saw have the chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights. 1991's so far as I see are black like this one https://www.mecum.com/lots/DA0915-222906/1991-oldsmobile-cutlass-convertible/ In the 1991 Oldsmobile Brochure though, the picture they use for the 1991 convertible DOES have a chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights.. but maybe they used a pic of a 1990 for the 91 brochure figuring it looks the same body style wise. That Mecum car is absolutely gorgeous, holy cow! 500 miles is just crazy! Thanks for posting, I thought that low mileage cars were only reserved for really rare muscle cars so it's nice to see W body's getting babied and hardly driven. I'm really curious now to see if it's a 90 or 91. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMan Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I just poked around looking at 1990 convertibles, what I saw have the chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights. 1991's so far as I see are black like this one https://www.mecum.com/lots/DA0915-222906/1991-oldsmobile-cutlass-convertible/ In the 1991 Oldsmobile Brochure though, the picture they use for the 1991 convertible DOES have a chrome strip at the bottom of the tail lights.. but maybe they used a pic of a 1990 for the 91 brochure figuring it looks the same body style wise. How much did that white/red 91 vert go for at Mecum? It says sold, but I don't see a selling price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1991olds Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Would you believe... drum roll.... $16,000.00 have to log in to see that. How much did that white/red 91 vert go for at Mecum? It says sold, but I don't see a selling price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMan Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Would you believe... drum roll.... $16,000.00 have to log in to see that.I would've paid $16k all day for that car. It's beautiful. FYI, the 88 vert I was looking at about a year ago had very low miles (of course) and they were asking around $14k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 I hope you get it, I wouldn't elude to the fact that it's on the rare side. Convertibles are a little like super powers though, they come with great responsibility. So many of the odds and ends are impossible to get. I still miss mine, but I'm glad it went to a good home with Rich. Even though mine was white, I still think they look best black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Black or Dark Teal with a white interior are two of the best combos ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 I'm actually visiting my mom tomorrow so I'm going to look at it again and hopefully talk to the owner. Not sure if it's even for sale but you never know. I will get the VIN too and hopefully Manic can pull some info on it if he doesn't mind. sean1991olds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Well I talked to the owner today and sadly it's not for sale. He's not ready to let her go but I gave him mine and my mom's info if he changes his mind. He also has a 94 vert in the same color combo with the DOHC motor, quad leather seats but no HUD. The 94 only has 116,000 on it and enjoys it quite a bit. It is a 1990 model year guys so good call to sean1991olds who spotted the correct year. Make me want it even more since it's a 90. Manic, if you could work your magic again with these VIN# pics, thank you. What's that weird symbol between the 4 and the D? Looked underneath it today too and no serious rust issues, pretty solid car overall metal wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1991olds Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 That character is the letter L, which per a GM Vin decoder, indicates that it's a 1990 indeed! Crazy.. had a strong hunch.. what a rare machine! Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Indeed a 1990. As I recall, a fairly late 1990. Convertible production started in the last few of months of the model year. Not AS rare but still 1 of 460 made. It was originally white though so it's 1 of 24..Factory CD and SWRC car though. 1G3WT34T4LD407291 Vehicle: CUTLASS 2 DR Year: 1990 Build Date: Unk. Found 31,854 vehicles matching that year and model in our database. RPO Description Matches UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT(OIL,COOLANT TEMPERATURE,VOLTMETER,TACHOMETER,TRIP ODOMETER)(USED WITH DELUXE SPORT PKG W32) GA(UB3) 17,559 UK3 ELECTRONIC SYSTEM,ACCESSORY CONTROL ELEK ACSRY CONT SYS(UK3) 9,227 US7 ANTENNA,POWER(PAINTED)(USED WITH TOURING W12) PAINTED PWR ANT(US7) 19,352 U1C RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,CD PLAYER,ETR, CLOCK STEREO W/CD PLAYER(U1C) 898 U25 LAMP,INTERIOR,REAR COMPARTMENT COURTESY RR COMPT CTSY LP(U25) 30,073 U47 LAMP,INTERIOR,ENGINE COMPARTMENT COURTESY,EXTENDABLE E/CMPT CTSY LP(U47) 30,073 U66 SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL FRONT DASH MOUNTED,DUAL EXTENDED RANGE PACKAGE SHELF/QUARTER 4 SPKR SYS(U66) 19,677 VB7 BUMPER,FRONT AND REAR,SPORT(USED WITH ELDORADO TOURING COUPE YP5) SPORT BPR(VB7) 5,384 VH9 ENVELOPE,OWNER INFORMATION MANUAL OWNER INFO MAN ENV(VH9) 24,026 VK3 LICENSE PLATE,FRONT MOUNTING PACKAGE FRT LIC PLT MTG PKG(VK3) 22,869 V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 31,854 WJ7 TRIM,INTERIOR(LEATHER) LEATHER TR(WJ7) 4,016 Z12 PACKAGE,FUNCTIONAL AND APPEARANCE(EXTERIOR)(MERCHANDISING OPTION) FUNCTIONAL APPEARANCE PKG(Z12) 27,077 Z7S OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS SUPREME CONVERTIBLE(MERCHANDISING OPTION)(3WM47 + Z7S = 3WT67) CONV(Z7S) 460 0DN SPRING COMPTR SELECT SUSP(0DN) 455 1SC PACKAGE-OPTION 03 (1SC) 16,741 1SZ PACKAGE OPTION- (1SZ) 29,083 15A ACCENT STRIP,MEDIUM GRAY METALLIC (15A) 2,607 15I INTERIOR TRIM,MEDIUM SLATE GRAY (15I) 18,173 154 TRIM COMBINATION - LEATHER, MED SLATE GRAY (154) 797 159 SEAT BELT COLOR - MED SLATE GRAY (159) 18,173 19T VINYL TOP COLOR,BLACK (19T) 185 40U EXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY,WHITE (40U) 7,669 6UZ COMPONENT FRT LH - COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6UZ) SUSP(6UZ) 456 7UZ COMPONENT FRT RH - COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7UZ) SUSP(7UZ) 456 AC3 ADJUSTER,SEAT,6-WAY POWER,BUCKET,DRIVER 6-WAY PWR D/SEAT ADJR(AC3) 12,790 AN3 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,WITH ELECTRONIC BODY SUPPORT CONTROL(USED WITH SE Z7M) FRT BKT ST(AN3) 17,692 AP9 NET,CONVENIENCE(USED WITH LUX INT ORN B20) CONVENIENCE NET(AP9) 30,062 AR4 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT,AUTOMATIC,PASSIVE AUTO PSIV RST SYS(AR4) 31,854 AU0 LOCK CONTROL,REMOTE ENTRY(KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM)(USED WITH SE Z7M) REMOTE ENTRY LK CONT(AU0) 19,453 AU3 LOCK,SIDE DOOR,ELECTRIC ELEC S/D LK(AU3) 23,925 A31 WINDOW,ELECTRIC OPERATED,SIDE(USED WITH SE Z7M) ELEC SI WDO(A31) 24,348 A78 ADJUSTER,FRT ST BK MAN RECLINING,PASSENGER AND DRIVER MAN RECL ST BACK ADJR(A78) 31,854 A90 LOCK,REAR COMPARTMENT LID,REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC RELEASE ELEC REL LID LK(A90) 20,180 BYP SPORT EQUIPMENT PACKAGE SPORT PKG(BYP) 2,956 B34 COVERING,FLOOR MATS,FRONT,CARPETED INSERT(COLOR COORDINATED) FRT CPT INS FLR MATS(B34) 27,325 B35 COVERING,FLOOR MATS,REAR,CARPETED INSERT(COLOR COORDINATED) RR CPT INS FLR MATS(B35) 27,325 B57 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR(DELUXE)(FRONT AND REAR LOWER BUMPER FASCIA,BUMPER RUB STRIPS)(USED WITH INTERNATIONAL WJ9) DELUXE EXTR TR(B57) 8,692 B71 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,WHEEL OPENING MOLDING(COLOR)(USED WITH INTERNATIONAL Z7Q,CONVERTIBLE Z7S) W/H MLDG(B71) 8,692 B84 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,BODY SIDE MOLDING(USED WITH APPEARANCE PACKAGE Z12) BODY SI MLDG(B84) 27,077 B91 ORNAMENTATION,EXTERIOR,DOOR EDGE GUARD MOLDING(COLOR)(USED WITH APPEARANCE PACKAGE Z12) DR EDGE GUARD MLDG(B91) 27,077 CD4 WIPER SYSTEM,WINDSHIELD,PULSE PULSE WPR(CD4) 30,050 C49 DEFOGGER,REAR WINDOW,ELECTRIC(USED WITH SPECIAL EDITION WA4) ELEC RR WDO DEFG(C49) 29,880 C68 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,AUTOMATIC,ELECTRONIC CONTROLS A/C AUTO ELEC CONT(C68) 9,801 C91 LAMP,INTERIOR,ROOF COURTESY(DOME) DM LP(C91) 2,241 DC4 MIRROR,INSIDE,REARVIEW TILT,DUAL READING LAMP(USED WITH ASTRO ROOF CF5) I/S DUAL READING LP RR VIEW MIR(DC4) 30,073 DD2 MIRROR,INSIDE,SUNSHADE,COVERED I/S CVR S/S MIR(DD2) 30,073 DG7 MIRROR,OUTSIDE,RH AND LH REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC(PAINTED)(USED WITH SE Z7M,STE Z7N,LE Z7K) O/S ELEC R/CON PAINTED MIR(DG7) 30,048 DOE Unknown 31,854 D55 CONSOLE,FRONT COMPARTMENT FLOOR F/CMPT FLR CNSL(D55) 23,277 D85 STRIPE,BODY SIDE LOWER ACCENT(CAN BE PAINTED OR MATERIAL) LWR BODY SI ACNT STRPE(D85) 8,687 FE3 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,SPORT(USED WITH SPORT PACKAGE WN2,PERFORMANCE PACKAGE Y56) SPORT SUSP(FE3) 8,516 GX3 TRANSAXLE,FINAL DRIVE,3.33 RATIO(USED WITH CALIF SEVILLE YP1) 3.33R(GX3) 28,975 IK4 TRIM-INTERIOR DESIGN (K4) (IK4) 1,255 JL9 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC,ANTILOCK FRT & RR DISC ANTILOCK BRK(JL9) 2,115 K34 CRUISE CONTROL,AUTOMATIC,ELECTRONIC(USED WITH SE Z7M) CRCONT(K34) 30,030 K60 GENERATOR,100 AMPERE 100 AMP(K60) 31,854 LH0 ENGINE,3.1L(3.1T),V6(EXPORT) 3.1T(LH0)(EXPORT) 28,975 ME9 TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC 4-SPEED(THM440-T4/4T60) 4-SPD A/TRANS(ME9) 28,975 MX0 TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC,OVERDRIVE(MERCHANDISING OPTION)(MD8) A/TRANS PROVISIONS(MX0) 28,975 NA5 EMISSION SYSTEM,FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS(USED WITH CALIF SEVILLE YP1) FEDERAL EMIS(NA5) 29,838 NP5 STEERING WHEEL,SPORT,3-SPOKE,LEATHER WRAPPED(USED WITH PERFORMANCE PACKAGE Y56,SPORT PACKAGE WN2) LEATHER WRAPPED STRG WHL(NP5) 9,227 NW0 WHEEL,16X6.5(CAST ALUMINUM) AL WHL(NW0) 5,895 N33 STEERING COLUMN,TILT TYPE(USED WITH SE Z7M) TILT STRG COL(N33) 30,050 PB4 LOCK KIT,ALUMINUM WHEEL AL WHL LOCK KIT(PB4) 26,936 QGW TIRE,ALL P215/60 R/16 N BL R/PE ST TL HWY TIRE(QGW) 5,895 R7A CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 26 14,509 R9Z CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO.100 4,923 TR9 LAMP GROUP,COURTESY(USED WITH SE Z7M) LP GRP(TR9) 30,073 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Thanks so much Manic! Don't know how you do it! I still like the car but kind of bummed out that it was originally white, had no idea and really like the black. 1 of 24 is still impressive. Is it bad that it has ABS? Guys on this forum said that's a big problem as parts are hard to find or repair. Surprised to find that it was a factory CD player car, didn't know that was even a option that early. To be continued... hopefully he gives me a call someday. Wish the car wasn't outside getting shitty but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1991olds Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 FYI, that Mecum auction 1991 Cutlass Convertible sold in 2015 with 500 miles for $16K, it sold before that in 2009 with 246 miles for $17,250. I would've paid $16k all day for that car. It's beautiful. FYI, the 88 vert I was looking at about a year ago had very low miles (of course) and they were asking around $14k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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