meltboy1 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Besides the TGP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Escobar Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Basically AFAIK, only the Lumina didn't get the PM3 system as an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfewtrail Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Regal, Cutlass, and Grand Prix. They're rare in those too I'm pretty sure. Maybe Matt(?) or someone else that has had a non-TGP with pm3 has a copy of their compnine info showing how many there were for that particular year/model. meltboy1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOT2B GM Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Any 88-91 W with ABS. Except Lumina's, they didnt get ABS until 92 meltboy1 and Heartbeat1991 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movielover40 Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Toronado ABS systems were PM3. Far too many. 6000 STE I believe had it also. meltboy1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted May 31, 2016 Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 IIRC, the Buick LeSabre those years also used the PM3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted May 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2016 Thanks all. That gives me some more hope, Any 88-91 W with ABS. Except Lumina's, they didnt get ABS until 92 That's what I thought Toronado ABS systems were PM3. Far too many. 6000 STE I believe had it also. I was unaware of those IIRC, the Buick LeSabre those years also used the PM3. Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup. The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfewtrail Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup. The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different. Lotus Esprits had it all the way to the mid 90's I believe. I didn't bother naming them above because I doubt anyone runs up on one of them in a junkyard any time soon. Heartbeat1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 yea, not too many lotus' around here I just found one coming out of Ohio with a 6 month warranty, wish me luck Heartbeat1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat1991 Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Toronado ABS systems were PM3. Far too many. 6000 STE I believe had it also. These weren't PMIII. They are a Teeves unit. Similar, but not the same. Update us when you get it, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman093 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 The relay on my black TGP came from an Espirit. The Lotus part number is A082M6493S. There is no car more fitting for a PM3 that those things. They're cool, but utter pieces of garbage when it comes to reliability and difficult to repair. The whole car is essentially a giant damn PM3 on wheels. Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup. The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different. These weren't PMIII. They are a Teeves unit. Similar, but not the same. Update us when you get it, Jim. I don't think I have ever had a failed to fix a Teves unit to fix over the years. Granted I've only seen a couple so maybe they are just as bad, but still, they worked at the time I saw them, unlike every single Delco PM1, PM3, and Chrysler Bendix system I've seen. 100% fail rates on those. Chrysler/Bendix recalled their units. You can get it overhauled to this day for free at a dealer. GM just said, "Screw em, they don't need no damn brakes" when it comes to Powermasters. Instead of recalling them, they discontinued the parts for customers to fix them. ManicMechanic and primergray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padgett Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Pontiac-Buick-Cadillac 1986-1990 used the electro-hydraulic Teeves ABS. Starting in 91 they used a different ABS system with a conventional vacuum booster. I had a PowerMaster in my Vixen, it was just an electrohydraulic brake with no ABS &needed for diesels and also was used with turbo engines (Grand Nationals) that typically had very low vacuum. Olds added a belt driven vacuum pump which was handy for pulling down an AC. In the early 80s GM expected to be over 50% diesel by 1990. We all know how that worked out. Today there is a brief resurgence of diesel but doubt that it will last long, a DI/turbo gas engine has much the same performance but is considerably cheaper to build. Edited June 3, 2016 by Padgett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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