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#1 Crazy K

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 11:48 PM

I have a question, if you know the origin of the photos of the 1988 pacecar in a museum, the ones where the car is behind a velvet barricade, and with an engine on display. Basically, where was this photo taken?????? who took it? I visited (finally!) the Indianapolis Motor speedway...... and went to look at the photo archives for 1988. so far..... here's what I learned: 1988 pace car replica convertibles were used as parade cars. 1988 coupes were also used as parade cars... and at least some of these had sunroofs! calais coupes were also used as parade cars in 88, painted in the 88 pacecar scheme, and not the 86 paint. JIM DAVIS rode in the 49 pace car. In the prior pictures I have seen, I have isolated only two real pace cars. 1 with race lighting, with HUD, with removal rollbar, with leather interior, WITH HOOD VENTS! with Quad 4 1 withOUT race lighting, withOUT HUD, with removal rollbar, with leather interior, without Hood vents, with Quad 4. almost ALL publicity shots are of the non-race ready vert. in the publicity packet that comes with the 50 pacecars (maybe all 250, or ?) is a picture showing two verts under construction whose caption implies that they were the only two cars produced to be real pacecars. so far the cars I have seen from the photo archives are consistent with these two, However, the archives guy said that typically they have 3 ready pacecars. the archive guy showed me a picture of a prior year HURST OLDS pacecars.... with EVERY Hurst Olds pacecar (including parade replicas) in a formation on the track. If I dig... and go through a stack of proofs that would sit 6 feet tall... I am hoping to locate a similar 88 image.
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Posted 07 November 2007 - 11:53 PM

I have a question, if you know the origin of the photos of the 1988 pacecar in a museum, the ones where the car is behind a velvet barricade, and with an engine on display. Basically, where was this photo taken?????? who took it?

Wasn't me, though I recall the scene when I was there in 1988. My mom should still have the pics we took if she can find them and if they weren't destroyed.

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 05:52 PM

man, removable rollbar....i would love to see how they did that. I have an idea that will work, I just don't ever have time to work on either damn vert. Hell, my car is still in the house garage in the same place it sat for almost 2 months.....one of these days I need to pull something in my shop and attempt to mess with it. Good info though, does the Indy museum have a cutlass pace car there? My buddie's Dad (Ken, you met Derrick) is huge into mustang pacecars and has a book that goes into detail for every year of the indy 500 about the pacecars....I'm gonna see if there is anything in that book we didn't already know. I doubt it but who knows.... Sean
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Posted 21 February 2008 - 07:41 PM

The Speedway still has at least one of the 1988 pacecars. I was up there within the last 5 years on Race Day, and they had it out on the track as part of the Pre-Race Festivities. I was actually able to get up next to it and took pictures. I'll see if I can find them and post. David '94 with 60,000 miles (recently purchased)

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 08:04 PM

The Speedway still has at least one of the 1988 pacecars. I was up there within the last 5 years on Race Day, and they had it out on the track as part of the Pre-Race Festivities. I was actually able to get up next to it and took pictures. I'll see if I can find them and post.David'94 with 60,000 miles (recently purchased)

please do! I've been trying to catch it but have not seen it.
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Posted 20 December 2011 - 01:10 AM

I hope you guys are still around! When OLDS was awarded the pace car project, it couldn't take a car off the assembly line because the GM10 body wasn't yet in production. Instead, Olds delivered to C&C two all-but-obsolete hand built prototypes. Olds admitted the cars were in sorry shape from extensive test work, but "we really don't care about the condition because we're going to tear it apart anyways," said Ken Hart (C&C Vice President). Three look-a-like show cars also are built, as well as a couple of "mules" for testing various components while work continues on the actual pace cars. *AUTOWEEK MAY 2,1988 The article above also included a photo of 1 car being converted by C&C with a time stamp burned into the photo, 7 29 '87 I have a photo (Counts, artist rendering) of the 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Public Relations released then received on NOV 27 1987. This rendering has a completely different rear spoiler with NO front airdam, and large yellow flags mounted on the back bumper. I know the actual pace car was build with strobe lights. Therefore it's quite possible that a total of 7 ACTUALL PACE CARs are or were around. My list of total replicas(with VIN#s) from Oldsmobile given to the Speedway goes as high as 278. These are quite different figures than what most have come to believe, 2 actual pace cars, 50 convetible replicas & 200 Hardtop replicas. I have both front and rear 1988 Indianapolis 500 Official Pace Car license plates numbered 259. I'll have these documents scanned if anyone is interested.

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 02:52 AM

Here are photos of the car you mentioned(says Al's Olds Page in corner of pics). I even found one photo of a replica hardtop with a sunroof like you mentioned. I have other pictures from the web, and I think there are at least 4 1988 pace cars (1 now gold) that I can guess about. I look at the suttle differences, like the red hood emblem, color of the rear decals, etc...

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 01:54 AM

I was looking at some of the old posts on the site and came across this about the '88 pace cars.  I own a coupe and one of the go cart versions and was contacted the other day about one of the Quad 4 pace cars.  This particular one was built for Indy and then later repurposed as a pace car for the PPG Indy Car World Series and repainted gold.  They were having some issues with it and sent some pictures of the trunk area with all the added race and safety gear. I was especially intrigued with the water cooled braking system.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 02:20 AM

Wow that's cool about the water cooled brakes. Thank you for posting pictures. You can tell them I figured out the problem, there's no battery in that car.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 02:37 AM

Yes, thank you so much for posting.  Very cool!  I love the coupe pace cars and there was one listed on CL in the Chicago area this year but now is no longer posted.  When will we ever get a chance to see one for sale again?



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:08 AM

I noticed the empty battery tray, too. Wonder if they relocated the battery to the trunk or whether it took an addition battery to power all the extra control modules and lights?

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:19 AM

Do you have any pics of your coupe you can post?  Would love to see some!



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:27 AM

Do you have any pics of your coupe you can post?  Would love to see some!

 

 

Just what's on pages 1&3 of the build thread for now.

 

http://www.w-body.co...-1995-gs-coupe/


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:31 AM

Just what's on pages 1&3 of the build thread for now.

 

http://www.w-body.co...-1995-gs-coupe/

Ooops, sorry Imp - that was for Oldsman207 and his 88 pace car coupe.  I've seen your pics and have enjoyed looking at that black beauty! 



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:48 AM

I just realized this car has nice looking pies. We had theorized in another thread what they would look like with the recesses blacked out.


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:53 AM

I just realized this car has nice looking pies. We had theorized in another thread what they would look like with the recesses blacked out.

They do look cool.  My 91 International pies have sort of a darker tint to them compared to my 89 International parts car.



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 03:53 AM

Ooops, sorry Imp - that was for Oldsman207 and his 88 pace car coupe.  I've seen your pics and have enjoyed looking at that black beauty! 

 

 

Oops, I was off beat, we were just in another thread about cars from Wichita.


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Posted 27 November 2017 - 04:06 AM

Oops, I was off beat, we were just in another thread about cars from Wichita.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:08 PM

Kind of dusty but gives you an idea of what it looks like.

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Posted 27 November 2017 - 11:18 PM

Really looked at the Quad 4 Turbo just now. That was pretty advanced for it's time. Air-to-air intercoolers still look pretty much like that today. The fuel log is neat and the intake manifold is monstrous. It really makes me thankful for what we have, the 4 cylinder car guys are all used to making horsepower above 6000 RPM but I couldn't live that way. 


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