This is what happens when you get bored......

[BXX]

Lets face it, our stock control arms are kinda weak, but also just plain out suck. Even new, they look like a car crusher mangled them Worse we are stuck with crappy heavy ass knuckle assemblies and mediocre brakes.

What your looking at is aboot 1.5hrs worth of work including texting and sitting on my ass

Before anyone pops up 'why don't I just buy a gen 2 car?' the answer is simple, I don't like them. What I like is having better/upgraded stuff on the most awsome W-bodies ever, Gen 1!!!

If I have time at work tomorrow, I will run around the block to Aztec Steel and get some steel so I can finish the mounts, and then on the way home, stop by Sears and get a plumb bob so I can reference the other side for proper balljoint location when doing the front LCA mounts.

[BXX]

Evil Genius, Mad Scientist, or just a Retard?

You decide

[AL]

All of the above?

[xtremerevolution]

Minus the part where you had to butcher the subframe, nice!

[BXX]

Minus the part where you had to butcher the subframe, nice!

Butcher? There was no butchering It's not 100% trimmed. All will come together once its done.

Can't wait to pick up some stock and get welding.

[BXX]

Where I had to cut out, will prolly be 'boxed in' and take car of any weak points whatsoever.

[gpchris]

Very cool and worthwhile upgrade! Not only do you drop a ton of weight with aluminum parts you also gain like twice the braking power if you upgrade to the f-body brakes.

[xtremerevolution]

Very cool and worthwhile upgrade! Not only do you drop a ton of weight with aluminum parts you also gain like twice the braking power if you upgrade to the f-body brakes.

Its not a serious amount of weight. I think the idea is to allow for better shocks options (KYB AGX) and better brakes. I'm curious as to how this will affect wheel offset.

w-body brakes, when working well, can still brake perfectly well for just about anyone. The factory dual piston brakes can lock up the wheels all too easily unless you start track racing.

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[BXX]

Wheel offset? Why do you think I gotta get a plumb bob so the balljoint is in the same location when I do the front mount.


And yeah, going F-body brakes or whatever the latest and greatest 'bolt on' brake upgrade is


And Andrei, not stock Gen 1 brakes are gonna be able to lock up my wheel/tire combo And I don't like having to use all my damn leg power to make a car stop.


Needz to get a nice fat Gen 2 swap bar as well.. GMPP bar should do nicely.

[white4d96]

Meh.

On the forums I'm on that are more 2G and 3G-oriented, they hate their front LCA's and the fact that you can only get one poly bushing for them, and that the other bushing apparently likes to fail often.

[xtremerevolution]

Wheel offset? Why do you think I gotta get a plumb bob so the balljoint is in the same location when I do the front mount.


And yeah, going F-body brakes or whatever the latest and greatest 'bolt on' brake upgrade is


And Andrei, not stock Gen 1 brakes are gonna be able to lock up my wheel/tire combo And I don't like having to use all my damn leg power to make a car stop.


Needz to get a nice fat Gen 2 swap bar as well.. GMPP bar should do nicely.

All I know is that my brakes stop on a dime and people who I've given rides to will attest to that, and they don't require gobs of pedal to make it happen.

That said, a larger brake rotor would be beneficial, no doubt. I've had smoke coming out of my front brakes on a few occasions on some hard 60-0 stops.

[BXX]

Meh.

On the forums I'm on that are more 2G and 3G-oriented, they hate their front LCA's and the fact that you can only get one poly bushing for them, and that the other bushing apparently likes to fail often.

http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/...for-WBody.aspx

[xtremerevolution]

http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/...for-WBody.aspx

$513 for a pair of control arms?

[Schurkey]

Is the ball joint-to-rear bushing location the same for both control arms? I'd think if it wasn't, you'll have caster/camber issues depending on how different they are.

I'd love to see that front bushing after it's been run through a band saw. That bushing scares me. I think I'd prefer poly inserts with the stock geometry so the control arm hinges freely--I expect that front bushing has some bind in it. Maybe I'm wrong.

What is it about the new control arm that allows bigger brakes than the old control arm?

[White93z34]

I think its largely the balljoint placement that allows for running gen2 knuckles/struts