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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    Guys and gals, an update has been granted to the original 1997 safety recall regarding subframe bolts pulling through on the cars below. The update makes this recall more accurate since it includes the rest of the cold/salty states some of us live in so, call and schedule up your free fixes.

    It has been noted that some cars might be covered only till mid year of 1991 so be aware of this, but don't hesistate to check out your car to be sure!

    And if you car originates from one of the states listed below, then it will qualify within the time frame!

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    (copied public data from NHTSA Site)
    Report Date : February 19, 2003 at 02:49 AM
    NHTSA Campaign ID number : 00V189000

    Makes:
    OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS SUPREME Years: 1988-1991

    GRAND PRIX Years: 1988-1991

    LUMINA Years: 1990-1991

    REGAL Years: 1988-1991


    NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 00V189000 Recall Date : JUL 03, 2000
    Component: STRUCTURE
    Potential Number Of Units Affected : 713435

    Summary:
    VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES ORIGINALLY SOLD OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS, INDIANA, IOWA, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, WHERE ROAD SALT USE IS HEAVY. A CONDITION WHERE ONE OR BOTH FRONT ENGINE CRADLE BOLTS CAN PULL THROUGH THE RETAINERS DUE TO CORROSION OF THE RETAINERS.

    Consequence:
    IF BOTH BOLTS PULL THROUGH, THE FRONT OF THE CRADLE WOULD NO LONGER BE SUPPORTED AT THE MOUNTING LOCATIONS AND THE STEERING INTERMEDIATE SHAFT COULD SEPARATE FROM THE STEERING GEAR.

    Remedy:
    DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE FRONT AND REAR FRAME/CRADLE BOLTS AND RETAINERS.

    Notes:
    OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN SEPTEMBER 28, 2000. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT CHEVROLET AT 1-800-222-1020, BUICK AT 1-800-521-7300, PONTIAC AT 1-800-762-2737, OR OLDSMOBILE AT 1-800-442-6537. ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    I would normally say damn because I am not part of the free fix states...but I am very happy that I do not live in a state that uses salt. We use something that I think will prove to be much worst....Calcium Chloride. Eats bare copper like a 2 year old eats cotton candy!!! 8)

    ps....thanks for the info...
    Kenny K

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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    thankfully i live in Wyoming, where they use crushed rock my CS has ablsolutely NO hint of rust on it anywhere. too bad i can't say the same for my rust bucket Malibu, which came from Minnesota.
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    I went to the pontiac dealer near me to see if I could get them to do the cradle bolts, and they said that it wasn't a recall on my car!! I was like WTF!! Anyways, I asked if I could just order the bolts and retainers and they said yeah, and went to the parts counter and ordered them. I went back three times over 2 weeks to see if they came in from a warehouse that was only 2 hours away. They never came and I've never gone back, except I stop by every once in a while with my small block Jeep CJ-5 and do a smoky burnout at the exit to the lot. If anyone lives in the Lehigh Valley don't goto 'Key Pontiac' off of Rt33.
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    So I just have to mention the NHTSA number at the dealer?
    Greg


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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    I called the Buick number and they didn't want the NHTSA #. They found the recall by referencing the cradle bolts.

    Anyway the last vin # for 91 Regals was (last six digits) M183892. Anything higher was made in a different factory and had different bolts not covered by the recall. Mine's 1859841 so I don't get the recall.

    So....there is a cut off in 91, at least for Regals.
    She said the start for 91 was M140045. So that's the range.
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    sorry, forgot I was on TGP!!!!!
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    I tried to get my 89 TGP cradle bolts replaced today and was told by the dealer that my TGP is not included in the recall. I then called PMD, who called the dealer again, and stated the same thing. Then I went to the National Highway Safety site and found the original recall documents, which includes my serial number, but there’s a note that not all cars may not be included at the bottom of the list that basically negates any car on the list if they want to. The PMD rep said that my car might have been assembled in a plant that did not have the problem. The interesting part is people have reported this problem with the TGP and they were all assembled at the same place.

    I find it odd that the TGP is not included and think it is just an oversight. My car has a very loose feeling and I can feel movement in the steering wheel during braking and turning. I don't think a bolt is broken, but could be either loose or stretched. The dealer said I would have to pay $95 for diagnostics and go from there.

    Is it correct that the TGP is not included in the recall even if they are in the states that have the problem? Has anyone had a TGP repaired by the recall? Thanks for any help in advance.

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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    wow, this is an old thread!!!

    the dealer probably told you it wasn't included because the recall was so long ago and they didn't want to do the work.
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    When i worked at Golling Pontiac GMC in Lake Orion, MI we actually had an 89 GP get bought back under that recall. The first step at most dealers is an appraisal, if it's less than the cost of a cradle they write you a check for the car. Potentially the recall may include an entire new cradle, not just the retainers.

    The one that got bought back was so bad the trans was almost on the ground.
    There's just something special about a 12,000 rpm red line...

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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    Quote Originally Posted by joberlee
    When i worked at Golling Pontiac GMC in Lake Orion, MI we actually had an 89 GP get bought back under that recall. The first step at most dealers is an appraisal, if it's less than the cost of a cradle they write you a check for the car. Potentially the recall may include an entire new cradle, not just the retainers.

    The one that got bought back was so bad the trans was almost on the ground.
    That is exactly what happened to my '88 Cutlass Supreme...the bolt broke and I ended up getting a check from GM for $600, which is more than the car was worth
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    So.. they just give you a check and you can drive off? Or they keep the car? I've never heard of them doing that, but then again, I've never dealt with any recalls either!

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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    here is another thread this recall

    http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopi...ghlight=cradle
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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    Thanks for the link! The Pontiac rep worked hard to try to understand why my GTP was not covered. She told me about the seatbelt recall that still needs to be done to my car and that they would do that one. She said it was possible that the car was not assembled in a plant that had the problem. This could actually be true if the cradle was not installed at the Fairfax plant (which I find hard to believe) or they used different bolts at final assembly. I would imagine to ship the car to another assembly point it would have to have the cradle installed.

    The bottom line is I think they just overlooked us. If the serial number is not in the GMVIS (GM Vehicle Inquiry System) the dealers and the Pontiac Rep use, they will not fix it. It seems none of the TGPs are in that system. We may need to report the failuers to http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/ to open another investigation.

    I retorqued my 4 cradle bolts to 103 ft/lbs and will try to forget about them for now. The car only has 60k miles and is in very good condition so I don't think rust is the problem. Just replaced the 2 dog-bone torque struts and think I will replace the hydraulic motor mount next. If there is still looseness the next item will be the inner tie rod ends.

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    UPDATE on safety recall regarding rusted engine cradle bolts

    ummm... you have a loose feeling in the steering?
    There's just something special about a 12,000 rpm red line...

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