My night at the strip

[RedCutlassSL]

I couldn't run my car, not enough money and the cooling problem. Anyway, I rode with friends in a 04 WRX. Its got about 4000 in mods. Exhaust, blow off valve, turbo timer, some tuning software. The exhaust alone was 2000. No rice mods whats so ever. The first race, I rode along in, was us versus a 96 vette auto. We lost, but by only about 2 carlengths. our 14.6 versus his 13.9. The fastest that car ran was a 14.5 at 94 mph. It was like virtually the only import there save for one or 2. There was a jetcar there that ran a 286 mph pass. A Cobra with a whipple supercharger and a big block. A nova that ran a 11 second. too much to mention.

[Euro]

even though i think WRX's are damn nice, I have to say Hell yeah the vette won!!

[BIGBULS]

Only 14.5@94mph and it's MODDED? It should run that fast stock.......

Was it like super humid and hot or something?



Oh, and a 14.6 to 13.9 difference is like 6-7 car lengths.............do the math. The average speed for the last 100ft or so is going to be in excess of 95mph (which is 139 ft/sec).......... 7 tenths at 139ft/sec is 97ft.............and since a car is only around 14-16ft long............ :wink:

[RedCutlassSL]

He isn't the greatest driver. I could have gotten that car to run a 13.9. As for the vette, well, if i remember correctly, that was his first run ever in that car. he just bought it. i think his first run was low 14s, then he got it in the 13.9 after practice

[god910]

$4K in mods on a 227 HP car AWD, and it ONLY ran a 14.6. $4K in my car and I'd be pissed running that, and it's 14 years old w/ a far lest tech. advanced engine, and starts off w/ less HP. :gone2far:

[mfewtrail]

Dustin, I'm assuming you're still in GA? Anyways, if so, did you guys run at the track TODAY? This definitely isn't the best time to run in the south if you're shooting for personal best times. 8)

[Tru2Chevy]

Oh, and a 14.6 to 13.9 difference is like 6-7 car lengths.............do the math. The average speed for the last 100ft or so is going to be in excess of 95mph (which is 139 ft/sec).......... 7 tenths at 139ft/sec is 97ft.............and since a car is only around 14-16ft long............ :wink:

Notice that he didn't post a slip, so you dont' know the difference in R/T's either. If the WRX out reacted the Vette by 3 or 4 tenths, then he's right on.

- Justin

[BIGBULS]

Notice that he didn't post a slip, so you dont' know the difference in R/T's either. If the WRX out reacted the Vette by 3 or 4 tenths, then he's right on.

- Justin

True............I neglected to factor that in :(

[TGPilot]

True............I neglected to factor that in :(

Not trying to start an arguement or a pissing contest, but you seem to be quite the magazine racer. No two cars or motorcycles for that matter are the same man. Example...I had 2 1992 GSX-R 1100's. Both had the same miles on them (+/- 200 miles). Both had CR smooth bore flat sided carbs, K&N filters, same pipe, same timing advancer, same ignition coils, etc and one was 1.5 seconds faster in the quarter than the other consistantly. The better bike would run consistant low 11's (at high altitude) where it was hard to get the other to run consistant mid 12's. When we pulled the motors apart before we did the N2O kit, we found everything to be the same inside. Can you explain why this was? My motor builder could...he found crazy bits of slag inside the intake runners just before the intake valves. Then he found that the exhaust cam timing (though fixed from the factory) was way off. Then looking deeper he found that the faster bikes bore was slightly larger than the 1127cc it was supposed to be. I owned that bike from brand new and knew for a fact noone had been inside that motor. We ran the VIN# through Suzuki Japan and found out that bike's motor was supposed to be setup for the 24Hours at Daytona Endurance race, but for whatever reason it was put in my chassis and sent to the US for sale.

My point is...unless all conditions are absolutely perfect and both the cars where build to exacting (and I mean within 0.0001" and 10LBs weight) specs from the factory they will not go what a frikkin magazine says it will...it might be even faster or way slower... 8)

Sorry to High-jack the thread RedCutlassSL...but tired of magazine and internet factoid racers! 8)

[RedCutlassSL]

Dustin, I'm assuming you're still in GA? Anyways, if so, did you guys run at the track TODAY? This definitely isn't the best time to run in the south if you're shooting for personal best times. 8)
Nah, we ran it on Friday, the 4th. Yes, I'm still in GA, and will be until Nov of 06. Ever hear of the 1/4 track in Reynolds? Actually, it was really nice to run, it was only like in the high 70s.

No, I didn't post any slips, because I dont' have them, Houghton does. Um...i know one of his reactions was .462, I think but i'm not sure what run.

[BIGBULS]

My point is...unless all conditions are absolutely perfect and both the cars where build to exacting (and I mean within 0.0001" and 10LBs weight) specs from the factory they will not go what a frikkin magazine says it will...it might be even faster or way slower... 8)

Sorry to High-jack the thread RedCutlassSL...but tired of magazine and internet factoid racers! 8)

Yep.

I AM an internet factoid racer...........never been to the track, OR even set foot in a car for that matter.

Oh...........and numbers mean nothing. Because even if a certain Dodge Viper can run 12.2@118mph, that means nothing............they are still beatable by a 15.0@91mph Mustang GT...........because hey..............the Mustang and the Viper can BOTH vary by 1.5 seconds each.

:roll: :roll: :roll:








Turst me.........numbers DO mean something, and I DO have plenty of track experience, and I KNOW what a car CAN run (with a half ass decent driver). Sure, production tolerances can vary things a little (as can environmental conditions, maintainance and even run to run variances), but when you have (for instance) two 3100 W-Bodies in DECENT condiction, expect them to run 16.9-17.3 well driven. Period.

Doubt me?

Look around. See what others have run...........I do NOT base my posts just on something read in a magazine...........if I did, I'd believe that a Beretta GTZ can only run 16.1............funny thing is, I've *seen* two run 15.4-15.5 (each with nothing more than a K&N drop-in), and others pop off very similar times on some of the Beretta message boards.




But hey......according to your resoning, track times mean nothing either. Neither do dyno runs............fuck it............lets just not race, because it means NOTHING. I'll just let you go on believing that your little W-Body car walk right away from a 350Z..........they are WELL within your 1.5 second limit.

[RedCutlassSL]

hey thanks for jacking my thread guy...

[mfewtrail]

Dustin, I'm assuming you're still in GA? Anyways, if so, did you guys run at the track TODAY? This definitely isn't the best time to run in the south if you're shooting for personal best times. 8)
Nah, we ran it on Friday, the 4th. Yes, I'm still in GA, and will be until Nov of 06. Ever hear of the 1/4 track in Reynolds? Actually, it was really nice to run, it was only like in the high 70s.

No, I didn't post any slips, because I dont' have them, Houghton does. Um...i know one of his reactions was .462, I think but i'm not sure what run.

Yeah, I've heard of it, it's the Silver Dollar Racway isn't it? I've driven by there before, but have never been when it was open, I usually don't head down that way much.

[RedCutlassSL]

yep, thats the name of it. well hey, i'm going back soon. do you think you could make a trip?

[dbtk2]

I would definately be pissed if I had $4k into the engine on ANYTHING and it was only running 14.5's. I have $400 into my engine and my car could with a decent launch, easily pull off 14.5's, thats with a heavier car, FWD, and an engine that is rated 22hp less stock...and mines an automatic.

I'm not a "magazine racer" as was posted about in here, but 14.5's is just really slow for $4k in mods. If I had $4k in mods, I BETTER be running 12.5's.

Shawn

[TurboSedan]

:werd:

i bought my GTS for $300, and i have less than $500 in mods into it. it's probably a high 14 second car considering i can keep up with a '00 GTP :) another $500 and i 'should' be running very low 14s if not high 13s.

however, mods for a 'new' car will be more expensive....

[TGPilot]

Yep.

I AM an internet factoid racer...........never been to the track, OR even set foot in a car for that matter.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah...

It just seems strange that every single 1/4 mile time and 0-60 you have posted on here if I do a GOOGLE search on that specific car those exact numbers show up. This is just an observation that I made reading many of your posts. I never said you didn't race or drove a car...just that any #'s you post seem to be exact duplicates of internet searches for performance #'s on cars. 8)

[BIGBULS]

It just seems strange that every single 1/4 mile time and 0-60 you have posted on here if I do a GOOGLE search on that specific car those exact numbers show up. This is just an observation that I made reading many of your posts. I never said you didn't race or drove a car...just that any #'s you post seem to be exact duplicates of internet searches for performance #'s on cars. 8)

I frequent a fair number of car forums (mostly GM and Nissan for obvious reasons), and have perused quite a few others..........I go off what people HAVE run where posible.........I only ever resort to magazine numbers where it's either a really rare car (say a Daewoo Leganza.......you don't see those at the track much :wink: ), or when the numbers ARE pertinent (top speed for instance........no skill involved there....you just select a gear and floor it).

I think you'll find that 9 times out of 10, people are capable of running a little faster than magazines........you are using uncorrected "raw" times, and have the benefit of a prepared dragstrip and can monkey with things like tire pressure.

[RedCutlassSL]

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