2.8 5spd berreta v.s. 3.1 4speed auto

[C-REX]

Who would win goin to race my buddy for pink slips but haven second thoughs??? 8) 8)

[jeremy]

I wouldn't do it, my old fiero has a 2.8 4 spd and it would shit all over a 3.1 auto W-body, the beretta should be pretty similar weight wise to the fiero...

[90lum31v6euro]

it will be close, very close

i would think the 3.1 would edge out the 2.8,

still hard to say tho....

if all else fails, put a few stickers on ur car, and maybe some nawwss..

[Pselus]

I would never enter that race for pink slips...way too close man

[excelsior]

id bet on the beretta but i wouldnt bet my car on it....

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

Don't do it. The 2.8 and 3.1 have only like 0.5 second difference in the quarter mile for w-bodies with the same tranny. Subtract the weight of the Berretta and add the 5-speed you can kiss you car goodbye!

[Euro]

ok first of all your racing for pink slips!!! :bash:

[BIGBULS]

You realise that plety of Beretta owners have gotten 16.2-16.4 out of completely STOCK 2.8L 5 speed's right?

That's a FULL SECOND or more faster than a 3.1L auto W-Body...............that's 8+ car lengths.






If your buddy can drive the Beretta (at all), you are going to be seeing tailights...........

[rudefyet]

I'm with the Beretta on this one

I se we have an SR20 man on the board BIGBULS...*sniff*...i miss my 240SX

[cutlsp]

the beretta will own your ass :lol: guess since you wouldn't have a car anymore that would mean no more posts here by you :lol:

[excelsior]

cmon now guys it IS c-rex after all....

[no1kicker]

just don't blow the welds on the intake and you'll be good

[90lum31v6euro]

losing is losing, whether u lose by an inch or a mile....

[Canada]

Since you guys have seen WAY to much Fast and the Furious....here is a clip of some dumbass friends of mine.....

http://www.ericm555.d2g.com/pics/matt/Retail.mpg

The thing is....they did NOT plan that. The camera car is a 2.2L auto Sunfire.........the other being a '95 240 SX.

[jmacks92ste]

wow, a lot of beretta supporters here it seems. I think that you would have a good chance, it would be close. 16.2 in a stock 2.8 beretta? i dont think so :roll: if thats true, it would have to be a factory freak. the fastest stock beretta would be a quad 4 (180hp) gtz beretta and those 5 speeds run about a 16.1 stock. The v6 is considerably slower...

[excelsior]

beretta w/ h.o. quad 4 runs mid-low 15's....not in the 16's....i think 50 hp would equal 1 second.....

[rudefyet]

beretta w/ h.o. quad 4 runs mid-low 15's....not in the 16's....i think 50 hp would equal 1 second.....

:withstupid:

[jmacks92ste]

www.car-stats.com

16.1

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

www.car-stats.com

16.1

Is that for the quad 4 or the 3.1 ??

Anyways,
I think there are guys on 60*.com with Berettas with 3100 or 3x00 top end swap and 5-speed, and they are still in the low 16s (should be faster :? ). I think a stock 2.8/5-speed Beretta would be in the high 16s/low 17s, but I really don't know. It would still eat a 3.1 w-body though.

[jmacks92ste]

thats the quad 4...

yeah the 3.1's arnt too fast, but theyre not really slow either

[rudefyet]

i've seen high output quad 4's with just an exhaust and an intake run high 14's

first of all i don't trust a site that has tons of pop up ads
second it's a rip off of the University of Missouri's 1/4 time page
third of all, the u of m site clearly states that it's time have a .5 second threshold of error
and last...look at the time for a TGP...since when did a TGP run a 16.3?

just ask anyone who actually owns a Quad 4 Beretta...they'll tell you mid to low 15's :wink:

if needed i have time slips and videos to prove it

[BIGBULS]

wow, a lot of beretta supporters here it seems. I think that you would have a good chance, it would be close. 16.2 in a stock 2.8 beretta? i dont think so :roll: if thats true, it would have to be a factory freak. the fastest stock beretta would be a quad 4 (180hp) gtz beretta and those 5 speeds run about a 16.1 stock. The v6 is considerably slower...

I hate to break it to you, but you have NO clue what you are talking about.

PLENTY of 2.8L 5 speed Beretta's have run low 16's (I've personally seen one go 15.9 with a stripped interior) and some of the 5 speed 3.1's have cracked off 15.9's.......STOCK.

As for GTZ's..........watch this video: GTZ 1/4 (http://www.ericm555.d2g.com/pics/matt/GTZ's%20Like%20Wheelspin.wmv)

That is a car that has only a K&N drop-in and a Flowmaster 50 series muffler............and he pulled a 15.440 that day (although I don't have it on video).

Either way, the Lumina has NO hope if the Beretta owner can drive at ALL.

[jmacks92ste]

thats funny because I know of several people with berettas and they run nowhere near those times. It all depends on the condition and how well they maintain their vehicle I guess...

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

I saw a Z24 run mid/high 17s at the track last time (hard to read the shitty board).. traction was total shit!

And yes, after looking on that site is all BS! It said a 1989 GP SE could do 1/4 mile in 17.1 seconds (yeah, I wish!) and 0-60 in like 9.something. :roll:

[BIGBULS]

thats funny because I know of several people with berettas and they run nowhere near those times. It all depends on the condition and how well they maintain their vehicle I guess...

Sounds like the "several people" don't know how to drive............

Hell, even the 3.1L autos are sensitive to driver technique. I know of one guy that went from 16.9XX to 16.4XX in his stock 1990 Beretta Indy (3.1L auto) just from learning where to manually shift the auto (5400rpm for 1-2, hold 2nd through the traps [5200rpm is the best 2-3 shift]), and what rpm is the best stall speed for a good launch (1500-1600rpm).

And the 5 speeds...............big time driver technique/skill........

The 5 speed V6 J and L bodies do best with very modest amounts of wheelspin (the tires should be hooked up by ~3000rpm), followed by a 5500rpm 1-2, 5300rpm 2-3, 5200rpm 3-4 (you WILL be in 4th gear by the traps).................do it right and very low 16's can be yours (maybe a 15.9 as I said with a 3.1L).

[Tru2Chevy]

Bottom line is this - If the guy in the Beretta can shift decent, it's his race.....if he misses a shift pretty good, then you have a chance.

- Justin

[Brian P]

I saw a Z24 run mid/high 17s at the track last time (hard to read the shitty board).. traction was total shit!

And yes, after looking on that site is all BS! It said a 1989 GP SE could do 1/4 mile in 17.1 seconds (yeah, I wish!) and 0-60 in like 9.something. :roll:
That actually is the real time/speed. '88 GPSE tested in Motor Trend did just that.

[jmacks92ste]

ya...it tells you where they obtained the source from, and most often it is a reliable source.

[Dannymik]

I would also go with the Beretta...especially if he knows how to drive that thing! Now how much of a diffence would the 3100 be against the 2.8 5 speed?

[TurboSedan]

fwiw, my Cutlass got a whole lot quicker after i installed the 5-speed. so, with the weight advantage and the manual transmission that the Beretta has, it should smoke a 3.1/auto W-body no problem, even with the 2.8. i think a 3100/auto W-body against a 2.8/manual L-body would be close. i've never raced a 3100/auto W-body with my Cutlass but i think it would be pretty close too.

[Canada]

A 3100/4T60-E and a 2.8L/5 speed (both in L chasis) are about dead even. I managed a 16.214 @ 83.75mph with only an RSM Racing underhood intake.

The W body 3100s are much slower....even with the deeper gearing (3.33 vs 2.93). 3100s just lack the low end punch of the MPFI motors.....but make it up at higher rpm.

[excelsior]

hmm....we should line a 3100 up against a 2.8 5 speed.....ive got the 3100 covered haha

[TurboSedan]

hmm....we should line a 3100 up against a 2.8 5 speed.....ive got the 3100 covered haha

i was going to race sl3196's 3100 '96 Cutlass against my 3.1/5-speed Cutlass, but he just traded in his Cutty for a '-00 GTP like 3 days ago...

hmmm.... Turbocharged GTS VS Supercharged GTP :) :wink: i think i just might have a slight chance from a roll

[sl3196]

Bring it malibu! lol

[TurboSedan]

Bring it malibu! lol

hehe i don't mind losin'! you'd absolutely kill me from a dig...from a roll you'd still win, but i think you'd be a *little* surprised. my GTS is just a little bit faster than it looks :) it will be quite a bit quicker come June after i get my original engine back in the car. it's rather 'downgraded' right now (tiny ass Mitsu turbo compared to the stock T3 that it's supposed to have)

so when are we gonna line up? :wink: sounds like we need to hit the industrial park sometime soon!

EDIT: it's so nice and cool out tonight - great boostin' weather! :) :)

[sl3196]

Maybe next thurs or friday. Dont think i have much going on. I'm still learning how to drive this car so you might win lol!

[Lee]

what would 130 hp and 2700 lbs weight get ya if its a VVT 1.8 four banger and 4 speed auto. Timewise. Reds at 6k

[excelsior]

not sure....it sounds like ur talkin about a current gen celica gt. I know that me & my friend drove a celica gt-s 4 speed....im honestly not sure if it would beat my prix i know i know the celica puts out 180 hp, but its not available untill 7800 rpm....and w/ only 4 gears it kind of takes a while to make it there and no power at all is available untill 6 k....& by the time it even hits the vvti stage im in 2nd gear. However your celica wouldnt be much slower since it peaks sooner and has better torque curve i wanna say mid 17's. so about the same as a 3.1 w body.

[BIGBULS]

I agree............mid 17's, *maybe* high 16's.

Auto 4 cylinders are very often 1 full second or more slower than their manual counterparts.

[excelsior]

celica gt-s i would be willing to bet is alot more then a second....stock it will run low 15's w/ the manual....auto id say its prob. equal to my 3100 which is good for mid 16's from what ive read/seen of other w bodies