Cutty vs 1999 Si

[topless94style]

My friend bought this car not too long ago, he had a black 97 ex before that i just completly embarrassed the hell out of. I posted pics of our cars a few weeks ago, but we finally got a little race in last night. HE is a pussy and stopped at 60mph. We were taking a left onto the road we were going to race on, and he actually thought that when the light turned green to go left, thats when the race started. He also tried to pull the fact that he has a 100lb girl in his car and that i have the advantage. My car already weighs 1000lbs more than his. Anyway, i caught up to him after he flew around the turn, and from about 35mph, we took off. I pulled right away, then he shifted and i pulled harder to 60 then he quit. He admitted later on though that he was trying, and I honestly thought i would loose. When he quit, his bumper was with the back of my door.

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

100lb girl doesn't mean anything :lol:

I think i read that for every 100lbs that like 0.10th in the 1/4 mile. :?:

It would have been cool it you would have gone past 60. Maybe race in a straight line next time... that would be even more of a kill. Good job :wink:

[slick]

Yep, general rull is 100 lbs. = .1 better or worse in the 1/4 mile, depending if your adding/gaining weight.

[topless94style]

100lb girl doesn't mean anything :lol:

I think i read that for every 100lbs that like 0.10th in the 1/4 mile. :?:

It would have been cool it you would have gone past 60. Maybe race in a straight line next time... that would be even more of a kill. Good job :wink:



I guess i didnt make that clear sorry, he took off flying around the corner, i went normal until we got onto the straight road, then we raced. I laughed when he said that it was unfair because of the girl, and she got mad at him cuz you know girls, anything you say to them they think your calling them fat. Just think, if my car wieghed what his does....take a good second off of what ever time i run.

[skiiirt]

My mom has a 2002 civic si and they are fast as hell off the light but they loose all their power. I toasted a 2001 mustang off the line but it was over as soon as he shifted.
Guess what im saying is don't under estimate them. I used to have a '01 Sebring LXi and I was only about 1/2 to 3/4 car length on a '99 civic untill we hit 50 (it was a residential and we were swerving in and out of traffic. he eventually slammed on his brakes) the 'bring had 200hp and same tourque.

[digitaloutsider]

Yeah, I went against an Si. They're blazing off the line, but once you reach about 65, even a 3.1 can take them. They lack high end power.

[f_399]

I heard those DOHC VTEC's of honda have a lot of power in 3rd gear.

[DEMonte1997]

Their power is off the line? I thought they would be better from a roll... interesting.

[GutlessSupreme]

They lack high end power.

So does the 3.1 :?

[rudefyet]

they lack high end power? where the hell did that come from

hondas vtec engines are designed for high end power...i owned an Accord and i can say that it pulled at high rpms better then any car i've driven

a stock 99 SI runs 0-60 7.2 Seconds and 1/4 in 15.7 seconds...that's enough to kill a 3.4 DOHC in a Convertible

I'm not really sure what happened there then...he must be one shitty ass driver

"Granny shiftin', not double-clutchin' like your s'posed to."

[BIGBULS]

Yeah, I went against an Si. They're blazing off the line, but once you reach about 65, even a 3.1 can take them. They lack high end power.

You, my friend, do NOT have even the remotest clue of what you are talking about.

A B16 Civic has JUST as much roll on punch as an LQ1..............and a WHOLE lot more than the crappy ass top end that 3.1L MFI's have.

My SE-R (with intake and header) was JUST as fast as my 3.4L DOHC 5 speed Grand Prix from a roll, and a bunch faster through the gears (the SE-R went 15.214, whereas the GP was a 15.5 car)...............and yet, it STILL got pulled by Civic Si's with anything more than an exhaust..............



I'm pretty sure the guy you raced just LET OFF :lol:

[BIGBULS]

As for the thread originator..................HE should have made a decent match for the Si from a roll (although the Si probably should have pulled from 35mph.......that's the very bottom of 2nd gear for a kcikdown on a 3.4L DOHC auto IIRC)............but from a dead stop, the Civic should have won (if the driver was any better than a Gibbon). I guess I could say "good kill", but don't get too overconfident there...........it just sounds as though you friend is far from a good driver......



Either way, 3.1 and 3100 guys should stay the hell away from any Honda DOHC VTEC cars, and 3.4L DOHC owners shouldn't get too cocky as it could easily go either way.



Oh..........and even a 100-130lb girl can make a notcieable difference on a 2600lb car............like 2 car lengths by 100mph.........

[digitaloutsider]

Okay, maybe I should have made it a bit more clear before a few of you asses jumped down my throat. First off, This was NOT a new Si. It was about a 91-92. It was a young teenager, and probably didn't know how to shift correctly (I saw him jump it quite a few times).



You, my friend, do NOT have even the remotest clue of what you are talking about.

Secondly, as a fucking member who just joined 6 days ago, do NOT fucking tell me I don't have the "remotest clue" what I'm talking about. Sorry, I wasn't clear, but don't dare be a dick to me. I don't take that shit very well.

Yes, any idiot can see that a new Si will eat 3.1's and 3100's alive, but the fact is, early 90's Si's, are NOT fast. My cousin has a 94. I would know.

To conclude, again, I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but dude, don't be a fucking prick.

[BIGBULS]

Secondly, as a fucking member who just joined 6 days ago, do NOT fucking tell me I don't have the "remotest clue" what I'm talking about.

Why?

What does being new have to do with anything? I AM right...... :)


Also, I do believe you are the same guy who said that "so and so's Grand Prix could outhandle your car easy" and said you'd "bet money on it", and then backed down later (after you found out you were WAY wrong).


I'm just correcting you.

If you were right, I wouldn't have done it...............so make sure you are right next time...........simple.

If you can't take some criticism (being told that you are wrong), then perhaps you shouldn't post unless you ARE sure.

Not to mention, that *I* am NOT the only one who corrected you.............trying to pick on the new guy? :roll:






And the thread was about a Cutlass against a 99 Si........read the title).............not a 91 or whatever..............

[digitaloutsider]

My point was, you could have simply said "No, blah blah.." Not, "DUDE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!" That's what I was calling you out on. As for the suspension thing, that's completely unrelated and my only problem with that was the fact that it was an inane comparison, and that not all W's have horrible handling. SORRY I didn't see the year there, I wasn't paying attention. But dude, if someone's wrong (as I was) CORRECT them. Don't make a big deal out of it, with wording like you used before.

Not to mention, that *I* am NOT the only one who corrected you.............trying to pick on the new guy? :roll:
No, but I'd probably wouldn't have this problem if you were Turby, or Luke, or someone who's been here a while. I don't take kindly to a new member outright being rude.

[FreakingGomer]

"Granny shiftin', not double-clutchin' like your s'posed to."

that might be kind of an incorrect statement considering that in newer manual transmition cars there is nothing to be gained by double-clutching, the synchros are good enough that you do not have to worry about letting the engine and tranny wind down to similar speeds to shit into gear again, I think a better statement would have been, granny shiftin, not power shifting. where you would just be keeping revs with the engine then putting the car in the desired gear,

unless I am heartily mistaken,

[excelsior]

wow.....big fight over a civic si.......course if the thread had been titled correctly...... :roll:

[rudefyet]

"Granny shiftin', not double-clutchin' like your s'posed to."

that might be kind of an incorrect statement considering that in newer manual transmition cars there is nothing to be gained by double-clutching, the synchros are good enough that you do not have to worry about letting the engine and tranny wind down to similar speeds to shit into gear again, I think a better statement would have been, granny shiftin, not power shifting. where you would just be keeping revs with the engine then putting the car in the desired gear,

unless I am heartily mistaken,

um....dude i wasn't serious...thats a quote from The Fast and The Furious

just tryin to throw some humor in

[Canada]

BIGBULS, how DARE you be rude on this forum. You OBVIOUSLY don't know anything because you have only been on this forum for 6.547476 days.

[digitaloutsider]

It's over. Don't start it again.

[topless94style]

WTF happened to this thread? Chill out, this guy is a bad driver, and against a good driver or atleast a decent one, i KNOW I would loose to him. I was very very surprized that i pulled on him. I honestly think my convert is one of the faster ones, as i did manage to beat a 2002 GP GT from 0-80. Granted his front bumper was lined up with the front of my door or the middle of my fender, I still was ahead of him. I think that was a pretty good kill considering the huge wieght advantage he had over me. Also, the Si has 17" rims which didnt help him much.


I would LOVE to do a couple more races against him, but he is scared of speeding tickets and doesnt want to beat on his import. Scared of his honda dying too? Yes he is and he has the thought in his head it will last forever. Any car will if taken care of right.

Either way, I want to line up against him again, or another one with a better driver in it to see how good I would really do.

That motor does have alot of top end power, but if you look at the numbers, the 0-60 is very quick yet the 1/4 time sucks.

[excelsior]

id just like to point out that ANY manual tranny driver, if they screw up bad enough, can lose to ANY car.....some examples:
97 GST Eclipse with intake & exhaust losing to Saturn SL2 auto.
00 mustang v6 losing to 94 sohc quad 4 grand am w/ an exhaust system.
94 camaro z28 losing to 03 accord v6(both stock).
None of those race results would happen if the guy w/ the manual hadnt screwed up. Things happen, so dont be so hard on him or get so bent out of shape over it.

[FreakingGomer]

"Granny shiftin', not double-clutchin' like your s'posed to."

that might be kind of an incorrect statement considering that in newer manual transmition cars there is nothing to be gained by double-clutching, the synchros are good enough that you do not have to worry about letting the engine and tranny wind down to similar speeds to shit into gear again, I think a better statement would have been, granny shiftin, not power shifting. where you would just be keeping revs with the engine then putting the car in the desired gear,

unless I am heartily mistaken,

um....dude i wasn't serious...thats a quote from The Fast and The Furious

just tryin to throw some humor in

my apologies for jumping on you, I always miss sarcasm and humor online, gets me in trouble time and again

[rudefyet]

lol..it's ok dude :wink:

so what exactly is double-clutching?

[BIGBULS]

lol..it's ok dude :wink:

so what exactly is double-clutching?

Double-clutching is this:

On older manual transmissions with no internal synchros, you would have to match input and output shaft speeds so as to not cause a grind. When shifting, you would press in the clutch, and take the car out of gear (so for a 1-2 shift, you would take it out of 1st and go to neutral). You would then release the clutch, allowing the input shaft speed to slow down. After a VERY short pause (it takes < 1 second to match stuff up), you press the clutch back in, and select your next gear (go to 2nd for your 1-2 shift), then release the clutch and off you go.

It has NOTHING to do with driving fast, or speed shifting or anything else that I've heard ricers refer too.............it's just for smoother shifting on clunky-ass old trannies.

[93CutlassSupreme]

Any car will if taken care of right.



not always, some cars are just engineered/built like shit

[C-REX]

What kind of D Vec we talkin about
b16a-d or b18 a-d or b20 a-c and then all the stroker moters like b23 and crap

b16 have power all the way through the pwer band
b18 little more power upper
b20 all upper power band

or at least thats what all my friends tell me

[BIGBULS]

What kind of D Vec we talkin about
b16a-d or b18 a-d or b20 a-c and then all the stroker moters like b23 and crap

b16 have power all the way through the pwer band
b18 little more power upper
b20 all upper power band

or at least thats what all my friends tell me

B20 never made it here in VTEC form (I believe the 1st gen Honda CRV's have a non VTEC B20). B18C1's (A and B are NON VTEC and redline at only 6600-6900rpm) make 145-150whp, but DO run out of muscle near the 8100 rpm rev limit (power peaks around 7300-7400rpm and kinda dies past that), whereas B18C5's SCREAM all the way up to their 8500rpm rev limit (and make 165-170whp doing so). B16A's pull EVERYWHERE (the torque curve is almost flat from 3000-7500rpm....just a little spike at the VTEC switchover @5700rpm)............right up to their 8200rpm rev limit (peak power is around 7600 where they are normally making 135-140whp in stock form..........not bad for an NA 1.6L).

The other cool thing, is that Civic Si's, Del Sol VTEC's and Integra Type R's NEVER fall out of VTEC if shifted at redline..............Integra GS-R's and H22 Preludes do off the 1-2 shift, but stay in on all other shifts.........