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Mach Jace
12-09-2009, 04:55 PM
I'm looking to replace my outer tie rods, finally. I figured its cheap and might as well get it over with as its not that big of a job. But browsing through the Rockauto part list is like being a little boy in a candy store all over again. What's "necessary" and what's just "excessive"? Personally I'm more lenient to getting the Deeza Premium quality but Im not sure if I should get the higher quality ones or not, its a difference of about 25 bucks for the pair.

Service Grade:$9.32 each
Raybestos:Manufacturer defect warranty
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1005227

Premium Quality HD Susp. (what's HD suspension on tie rods?):$23.79 each
Deeza:2 year/40k mile warranty
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1401665

Professional Grade:$34.79 each
Raybestos:Manufacturer defect warranty
Doesn't come with the pin, but its blue.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1031070

Most expensive (Frt Strg?):$37.79 each
Moog:Limited lifetime warranty, steering dampers are 12 months
This one comes with two extra bolts and the pieces seem like they're better quality as opposed to the others.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=202232

carkhz316
12-09-2009, 05:59 PM
I'm sure they all come with the same parts/ bolts etc. But, I was told by a parts store guy that there is a difference in the quality and strength of the metal between the cheapos and say, MOOG. He said "if you're going to send it down to road soon (sell it) use the cheapo, but if you're going to keep the car, go with MOOG (or equivalent)" Personally, if you like your car, I would probably spend the extra money on the MOOG ones and not have to worry about them again (lubing aside).

xtremerevolution
12-09-2009, 06:18 PM
MOOG.

5speedz34
12-09-2009, 06:19 PM
^What he said.

Venom
12-09-2009, 06:37 PM
^What he said.

x3 or at least a quality replacement with lifetime warranty.

BXX
12-09-2009, 06:54 PM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

5speedz34
12-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Speaking of grease, my Napa Gold ones haven't been greased in over a year and are finally started to make some noise.

BXX
12-09-2009, 07:13 PM
THe Valucraft parts on my old CS are aboot 3 years old now and are in great shape. I always greased them at every single oil change

5speedz34
12-09-2009, 07:19 PM
Ya I need to start doing that, but my garage is a mess and changing oil is becoming tedious and a cursing fit.

1990lumina
12-09-2009, 08:20 PM
Moog replacements are great. That is all we use at work on used cars and they are always great quality and easy to work with.

Especially their sway bar end links - fuck some factorys are jsut SHIT. You know when the aftermarket replacement is 4x the size it's built to last.

cutty
12-09-2009, 08:45 PM
moog or trw.

Mach Jace
12-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Alright then, Moog it is. Thanks guys. :high5:

GOT2B GM
12-09-2009, 10:14 PM
stay away from the offshore china parts

White93z34
12-09-2009, 10:26 PM
Buy Cheap, Buy twice.

Crazy K
12-10-2009, 07:25 AM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

NO! I bought an outer tierod, and it was BAD! the threaded hole was way off center, and the the end was not flat to meet the nut..


I do have duralast tie-rods though.... lifetime warranty FTW!

pontiacmaniac94
12-10-2009, 11:09 AM
OR

you could blow out your rack and pinnion, and the new rebuilt one you get comes with new inner tire rods already on it, so that means you don't have to pay to replace them yourself! yay!

but I think your idea would probably be better.

BXX
12-10-2009, 07:32 PM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

NO! I bought an outer tierod, and it was BAD! the threaded hole was way off center, and the the end was not flat to meet the nut..


I do have duralast tie-rods though.... lifetime warranty FTW!


You mean Valuecraft re-labeled and they add a lifetime warrenty

xtremerevolution
12-10-2009, 09:55 PM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

NO! I bought an outer tierod, and it was BAD! the threaded hole was way off center, and the the end was not flat to meet the nut..


I do have duralast tie-rods though.... lifetime warranty FTW!


You mean Valuecraft re-labeled and they add a lifetime warrenty


I'd rather get a more expensive part with a 3 year warranty than a cheaper part with a lifetime warranty that will last half as long if not less. I don't like replacing the same shit on my car over and over again.

Crazy K
12-11-2009, 06:13 AM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

NO! I bought an outer tierod, and it was BAD! the threaded hole was way off center, and the the end was not flat to meet the nut..


I do have duralast tie-rods though.... lifetime warranty FTW!


You mean Valuecraft re-labeled and they add a lifetime warrenty


no.. i keep hearing that myth,which is that it is a same part. I have checked MANY of the valuecrap vs duralast parts, and there is a real difference in quality. yes, it is still cheap, but hey, it is easy enough to replace.

AWeb80
12-11-2009, 11:28 AM
I put MOOG's on when I had my trans/motor/everything else out last spring.

I think they were ~$40 a piece....

BXX
12-11-2009, 11:32 AM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.

NO! I bought an outer tierod, and it was BAD! the threaded hole was way off center, and the the end was not flat to meet the nut..


I do have duralast tie-rods though.... lifetime warranty FTW!


You mean Valuecraft re-labeled and they add a lifetime warrenty


no.. i keep hearing that myth,which is that it is a same part. I have checked MANY of the valuecrap vs duralast parts, and there is a real difference in quality. yes, it is still cheap, but hey, it is easy enough to replace.


Ken, I worked for Autozone for almost 2 years. Its not a myth. They are the same part and quality, just sometimes sourced from different manufactures in China. Trust me, ive seen mant suspension parts there where a Valucraft lable was put in over the Duralast label and visa versa.

Im not gonna spend $40 each on Moog parts when I can simply spend $15 each and just keep them greased and they will last longer than the car.

Crazy K
12-11-2009, 02:34 PM
Bob, I have yet to see two parts the same when I compare. I can see that the valuecraft is significantly lower quality than the duralast as they are smaller and less refined, or even totally badly built like that tie-rod. I would use a Moog or TRW for an inner tierod though...


Not saying you are wrong, though.... I would believe that they may have cross merchandised the product if they had supply issues in the past...

Leadfoot
12-19-2009, 10:36 AM
Another vote for Moog. All my buddies who still work on cars for a living at dealers, 4 Wheel Parts, etc will only use Moog or sometimes the factory GM stuff. I have used Moog the times I have needed it and their stuff is good quality and holds up well.

I don't care the difference between Valucraft and Duralast, it is all garbage with no place on any of my vehicles.

rockfangd
12-20-2009, 12:46 AM
i always like TRW, moog and raybestos :mrgreen:

CSI_MuNkY
12-20-2009, 02:01 PM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.


I thought you were ASE certified, that's the stupidest thing I have heard today! And I talked to my brother...


Moog is the only way to go

Jamie

xtremerevolution
12-20-2009, 02:26 PM
Or elcheapo Valuecraft and keep them greased with decent grease.


I thought you were ASE certified, that's the stupidest thing I have heard today! And I talked to my brother...


Moog is the only way to go

Jamie


I agree with you. The logic that you can buy Valuecraft and just keep them greased blows my mind. Wouldn't you then by the same logic be able to keep a Moog tie rod greased and keep it even longer given the higher quality?

You know what else cheap brands have aside from lower quality? Higher rate of failure. I'd prefer not to have something fail when I desperately need it not to. You can tell me all you want that your parts have never failed, but that doesn't mean that the likelihood of them failing over a Moog or comparable brand isn't higher. It only has to happen once. Suspension and steering components are not parts I cheap out on.

CSI_MuNkY
12-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Suspension and steering components are not parts I cheap out on.


Could not agree more!

Jamie

spiderw31
12-20-2009, 04:40 PM
^^ No kidding!

BXX
12-20-2009, 05:52 PM
Ive found and/or replaced more Moog parts than anything on customers cars :dunno:

But since majority of you have no real working knowledge of the parts and have seen the repeated failures, im just wasting my breathe.

Go ahead and spend $40+ each for parts for your 10-21 year old W-body

xtremerevolution
12-20-2009, 05:59 PM
Ive found and/or replaced more Moog parts than anything on customers cars :dunno:

But since majority of you have no real working knowledge of the parts and have seen the repeated failures, im just wasting my breathe.

Go ahead and spend $40+ each for parts for your 10-21 year old W-body


Most suspension parts need greasing, especially in Ohio. I highly doubt people take their cars in for scheduled maintenance to get those parts greased at the proper time intervals, hence the repeated failures. Given we're having this discussion, I think its safe to say we aren't part of that crowd.

GOT2B GM
12-20-2009, 06:41 PM
im just wasting my breathe.




I agree, I have no idea why we do not bow down to your infinite wisdom.






IF ANYTHING, buy the more expensive parts that are made in the USA / Canada.

If you don't support your own economy, who will?

xtremerevolution
12-20-2009, 08:23 PM
im just wasting my breathe.




I agree, I have no idea why we do not bow down to your infinite wisdom.






IF ANYTHING, buy the more expensive parts that are made in the USA / Canada.

If you don't support your own economy, who will?


QFT

BXX
12-20-2009, 10:21 PM
im just wasting my breathe.




I agree, I have no idea why we do not bow down to your infinite wisdom.






IF ANYTHING, buy the more expensive parts that are made in the USA / Canada.

If you don't support your own economy, who will?


Because even Moog parts arent always made in USA/Canada

And I love to support my economy when I can. However, if I want a tie rod and balljoint that is American/Canadian made that I know will last, I will buy factory GM

White93z34
12-20-2009, 10:38 PM
that are made in Mexico or wherever they can get low bid.

BXX
12-20-2009, 10:40 PM
that are made in Mexico or wherever they can get low bid.


Not all, but at least Mexico is still decent :lol:

A lot of our leftover Gen 1 GM chassis parts are US and seeming they last well over 100K, im good with that. Now the newer GM stuff, well yeah. Not so much interested in a tie rod for example with a failure life of 50K

Crazy K
12-21-2009, 09:38 AM
that are made in Mexico or wherever they can get low bid.


Not all, but at least Mexico is still decent :lol:

A lot of our leftover Gen 1 GM chassis parts are US and seeming they last well over 100K, im good with that. Now the newer GM stuff, well yeah. Not so much interested in a tie rod for example with a failure life of 50K

Anything made in Mexico mean than a Chinaman didn't make it, and a Mexican had a reason not to come here! :buddy:


at least the duralast gold has a warranty, and it is a mid grade product. good enough to do the job on a car I regularly go under and inspect.

19Cutlass94
12-21-2009, 07:12 PM
I always buy the NAPA chassis parts. (NCP) Its made either USA OR canada with a lifetime waranty. I figure I cant go wrong. It expensive though..

White93z34
12-21-2009, 07:45 PM
I think most NAPA chassis stuff is mostly Spicer or Raybestos... both good brands.

BXX
12-22-2009, 03:52 PM
Spicer got out of the aftermarket chassis parts sector 3-4 years ago.

They might still have some leftover parts though

5speedz34
12-23-2009, 03:49 AM
I always buy the NAPA chassis parts. (NCP) Its made either USA OR canada with a lifetime waranty. I figure I cant go wrong. It expensive though..


I agree with this, Napa's parts are always real good.